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[TNTHead]

Waché admitted that they don't have correlation between wind tunnel and track, or at least a poor correlation. That hampers development of course. If they cannot improve the correlation soon I expect they struggle thoughout the year.

[f1isgood]

1 more week until we know where everyone stands.

[Bill]

1 more week until we know where everyone stands.

Its not were you stand that's important its where you finish .redbull are going to put everything into 2025 knowing that there 2025 pu will be rubbish ,the chassis will also be a question mark since Newey will not be around to guide them.so i will put my money on Max winning the driver champ.they may not have been the quickest in bahrain but that's just one type of circuit ,they always been very quick in high speed corners were aero efficiency is paramount.

[kptaylor]

1 more week until we know where everyone stands.

Its not were you stand that's important its where you finish .redbull are going to put everything into 2025 knowing that there 2025 pu will be rubbish ,the chassis will also be a question mark since Newey will not be around to guide them.so i will put my money on Max winning the driver champ.they may not have been the quickest in bahrain but that's just one type of circuit ,they always been very quick in high speed corners were aero efficiency is paramount.

I hope/think you meant 2026.

[ringo]

How F1 Drivers Prepare For A New Season | Behind The Charge

Watch along for exclusive footage of Liam’s first time driving an F1 car in 2025, Max’s seat fit at our Campus in Milton Keynes,
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And a long article about Liam in GQ Australia:

https://www.gq.com.au/gq-sports/liam-la ... 5e1db69bf6

Nice video. Just watching it I can see how he brings a lot of fun energy and lightness to the team. Perez didnt have that and I think Yuki wouldnt. They were too serious. Max is already a serious guy, so Liam balances things out and makes the team more likeable, to me at least.
Will there be calls of British Empire bias from Max's side if Liam gets too much attention?

[Bill]

1 more week until we know where everyone stands.

Its not were you stand that's important its where you finish .redbull are going to put everything into 2025 knowing that there 2025 pu will be rubbish ,the chassis will also be a question mark since Newey will not be around to guide them.so i will put my money on Max winning the driver champ.they may not have been the quickest in bahrain but that's just one type of circuit ,they always been very quick in high speed corners were aero efficiency is paramount.

I hope/think you meant 2026.

Yes 2026 pu

[Cs98]

It's typical underdog rhetoric, lower expectations in case of the worst case scenario. If Max really felt the car was a dud I think he would have more to say. He does not come across as a doomer, just deferential to another team, kind of like Hamilton when he was winning. I get the impression he thinks they are behind McLaren (no surprise), but not by miles. I didn't see anything in the data which tells me 4th best (I only look at Verstappen's times). We'll see in the first few races.

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Max wasn't happy at all, he seems a bit sad actually. He wasn't playing the underdog, that is not Max his style.
He said yesterday "I don't think we can fight for the win in Melbourne. I hope they can make some improvements in a few races."
So at the moment he doesn't know if there will be some improvements.

I didn't say he was happy, I said he wasn't dooming the season yet. People are quick to forget that RB showed some serious pace at times during testing, to my eyes only matched or exceeded by Norris.

[Wouter]

Waché admitted that they don't have correlation between wind tunnel and track, or at least a poor correlation. That hampers development of course. If they cannot improve the correlation soon I expect they struggle thoughout the year.

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That seems very odd if Waché said that. You know Rudy van Buren, he was Friday afternoon in the Viaplay studio and he said
they finally had no more correlation problems!
He flew during the night from the UK straight from the factory in MK (after a few sim days) to Schiphol. So he knows it from the sim
and the data from the track he received. The correlation is finally good he said. I trust him more than Waché.

[ME4ME]

I trust him more than Waché.

Why is that?

[TNTHead]

Waché admitted that they don't have correlation between wind tunnel and track, or at least a poor correlation. That hampers development of course. If they cannot improve the correlation soon I expect they struggle thoughout the year.

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That seems very odd if Waché said that. You know Rudy van Buren, he was Friday afternoon in the Viaplay studio and he said
they finally had no more correlation problems!
He flew during the night from the UK straight from the factory in MK (after a few sim days) to Schiphol. So he knows it from the sim
and the data from the track he received. The correlation is finally good he said. I trust him more than Waché.

I found it in this article https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/why- ... ock-anchor

He doesn't state it directly but it is suggested that correlation issues are still present.

[Paa]

I think this is quote misunderstood.
As I understand Waché neither confirms, nor denies specific correlation issues. He talks more in general, that correlation can never be 100% as there is always some extrapolation required for real world environment. So there is always some kind of uncertainty.
Of course this is a spectrum, but I don't think he mentioned where does he think Red Bull is right now at this spectrum.

edit: but there were also reports that car did not react how they expected, so there should be some kind of issue still present with RedBull.

[f1isgood]

It's typical underdog rhetoric, lower expectations in case of the worst case scenario. If Max really felt the car was a dud I think he would have more to say. He does not come across as a doomer, just deferential to another team, kind of like Hamilton when he was winning. I get the impression he thinks they are behind McLaren (no surprise), but not by miles. I didn't see anything in the data which tells me 4th best (I only look at Verstappen's times). We'll see in the first few races.

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Max wasn't happy at all, he seems a bit sad actually. He wasn't playing the underdog, that is not Max his style.
He said yesterday "I don't think we can fight for the win in Melbourne. I hope they can make some improvements in a few races."
So at the moment he doesn't know if there will be some improvements.

I didn't say he was happy, I said he wasn't dooming the season yet. People are quick to forget that RB showed some serious pace at times during testing, to my eyes only matched or exceeded by Norris.

The last bit of hope I am clinging on to look at all the responses lol. That first day stint that Max put in was sublime.

[Wouter]

Waché admitted that they don't have correlation between wind tunnel and track, or at least a poor correlation. That hampers development of course. If they cannot improve the correlation soon I expect they struggle thoughout the year.

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That seems very odd if Waché said that. You know Rudy van Buren, he was Friday afternoon in the Viaplay studio and he said
they finally had no more correlation problems!
He flew during the night from the UK straight from the factory in MK (after a few sim days) to Schiphol. So he knows it from the sim
and the data from the track he received. The correlation is finally good he said. I trust him more than Waché.

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I found it in this article https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/why- ... ock-anchor

He doesn't state it directly but it is suggested that correlation issues are still present.

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I believed you when you said Waché said it but I find it strange from HIM to say that kind of things, because Rudy said something else and he knows because his is every GP weekend in the simulator in Milton Keynes to analyse the data.

[Wouter]

I trust him more than Waché.

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Why is that?

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Because Rudy is every GP weekend till Saturday night 3/4 a.m. in Milton Keynes in the simulator to analyse all the data and to find the right setup for the two drivers. He is very reliable.
If he says there are no correlation problemes than there are no correlation problems.

[ringo]

Extrapolation not correlation issues.
What Wache could be saying is that you cannot possibly test every scenario, nor equally simulate them. The engineers will have representative data from simulation of a certIn situation to predict how the car should respond in a different event. I think this is where the issue is, and with 3 days alone of testing it's not really a big problem.
In the same way a short stint can be run on a tyre and then that sample data can be use to model how a longer stint would look like, with different variables being changed etc.
Keeping in mind Redbull have an old wind tunnel, they may be forced to extrapolate information from limited primary data collected.
This RB21 leaves a lot of questions in terms of progress, but I wouldnt say it's 4th or 1rst. We really have no idea.
It may just turn on Saturday to be the fastest car after a little tweaking.