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Max had better braking and front end generally. What spoiled Max lap was his mistake in the 123 turn.
That set him up to be behind the the ferrari for thw subsequent straight. Without that mistake he would have been on pole.

Lawson needs more time. Let's be fair, his practice sessions have been compromised.
Tsunoda was the best choice but redbull dont want Yuki's unpredictability and he's a little too fast. Might causw trouble if he feels he needs equal treatment or feels the need to challenge max and complicate a championship.

There wasn't any mistake by Verstappen.

Watch the ghost comparison video to spot the mistake.
I know his fans thinks he is perfect and will baulk at the thought the he can make errors.
He lost the rear in the snail turn and caught it.
He has very good car control so it happened really fast, but it compromised his speed coming out of the snail.
Watch it again.

Verstappen lost significant time every single lap through this complex of corners all weekend to ferrari/mclaren. If that's happening so consistently it's because the car can't do it

[ringo]

Haha sure! Ok. Let's agree to disagree.

His line was too tight and his foot a little too heavy. That's all.
That's where he lost the pole. Nowhere else in that video did the ferrari make ground on the redbull.
Let's be objective.

He only need to worry about the Mclarens this weekend. The ferraris have nothing on him.

I think the throttle trace would be good to hilight why the snail turns cost him. He had to lift off coming out of that series of turns.

The rest of the lap it seems ferrrari have less drag on the car hence the quicker run up to speed but having to break earlier because of less load?

[Cs98]

There was no mistake in s1. Red bull can't do much better in 1-2-3.

There wasn't any mistake by Verstappen.

Hook, line, sinker.

I perfectly well know what is going on, but some corrections just need to be made.

Trolls will troll regardless.

[ringo]

Hook, line, sinker.

I perfectly well know what is going on, but some corrections just need to be made.

Trolls will troll regardless.

Yes trolling because its a different opinion. I get it. But you can look on the throttle trace of both cars if we are to keep the discussion civil and technical.

[euv2]

Hook, line, sinker.

I perfectly well know what is going on, but some corrections just need to be made.

Trolls will troll regardless.

Yeah, I just don't see the rear stepping out at all. If the rear stepped out VER would opposite lock the steering, but that was just plain old understeer, nothing wrong with the line either. I also checked the trace again just to make sure, nothing wrong there either. Lewis comes out just 0.027 from that sequence.

[Cs98]

I perfectly well know what is going on, but some corrections just need to be made.

Trolls will troll regardless.

Yeah, I just don't see the rear stepping out at all. If the rear stepped out VER would opposite lock the steering, but that was just plain old understeer, nothing wrong with the line either. I also checked the trace again just to make sure, nothing wrong there either. Lewis comes out just 0.027 from that sequence.

Lewis doesn't gain in the traction zone, he gains in the post-traction acceleration phase down to T6. The Ferrari has a little bit more grunt in the low end, it has been that way for years.

[chrisc90]

From what I remember from this morning, and haven’t watched a replay, was that it seemed the car wasn’t the best at turn 1. I’ll have to have another look

[Juzh]

Haha sure! Ok. Let's agree to disagree.

His line was too tight and his foot a little too heavy. That's all.
That's where he lost the pole. Nowhere else in that video did the ferrari make ground on the redbull.
Let's be objective.

He only need to worry about the Mclarens this weekend. The ferraris have nothing on him.

I think the throttle trace would be good to hilight why the snail turns cost him. He had to lift off coming out of that series of turns.

The rest of the lap it seems ferrrari have less drag on the car hence the quicker run up to speed but having to break earlier because of less load?

Go back to ferrari thread with your nonsense.

[ringo]

I perfectly well know what is going on, but some corrections just need to be made.

Trolls will troll regardless.

Yeah, I just don't see the rear stepping out at all. If the rear stepped out VER would opposite lock the steering, but that was just plain old understeer, nothing wrong with the line either. I also checked the trace again just to make sure, nothing wrong there either. Lewis comes out just 0.027 from that sequence.

Ok and what was the pole tap? 0.018. Basic math puts Max on pole. Am i wrong?
Why is it so hard for objectivy here?

[Sieper]

Asks the one Guy who is ignoring all objectivety. Just stop it. You have been dragging the same argument for over a page now.

[ispano6]

Marko giving Lawson 3 races. Lucky for Lawson that he actually knows Suzuka. It's BS, Lawson will have a better car than Yuki at his own home soil. It won't be a warm reception for Lawson or for most of Red Bull. Sure, vcarb02 may be more tamable than rb21, but I don't see Lawson screwing up in Japan. I'm sure Yuki will just be unlucky as usual.

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Marko giving Lawson 3 races.

Has he said that publicly?

[Valencia2012]

Haha sure! Ok. Let's agree to disagree.

His line was too tight and his foot a little too heavy. That's all.
That's where he lost the pole. Nowhere else in that video did the ferrari make ground on the redbull.
Let's be objective.

He only need to worry about the Mclarens this weekend. The ferraris have nothing on him.

I think the throttle trace would be good to hilight why the snail turns cost him. He had to lift off coming out of that series of turns.

The rest of the lap it seems ferrrari have less drag on the car hence the quicker run up to speed but having to break earlier because of less load?

Where do you base this on? it seems its more Ferrari vs Mclaren with RB and Mercedes behind them.

[Alexf1]

Lawson is really in trouble and he needs to bounce back soon to avoid Netflix making an episode out of him for next season.

Think it's going to be very tough for him to turn it around in this car. If you can't deal with an instable rear end you've got no place at Red Bull. It's just the way they make fast cars. A top class professional driver in F1 can drive fast with whatever he's given. They must every year. It's a constructors championship, not a spec series where the chassis is supposed to be 1 size fits all.

[nitrotech]

Marko giving Lawson 3 races. Lucky for Lawson that he actually knows Suzuka. It's BS, Lawson will have a better car than Yuki at his own home soil. It won't be a warm reception for Lawson or for most of Red Bull. Sure, vcarb02 may be more tamable than rb21, but I don't see Lawson screwing up in Japan. I'm sure Yuki will just be unlucky as usual.

Yuki thoroughly deserved it. But I don't think Red Bull are backing out of Lawson for the whole of this season. They would wait to see how Lindblad would be coming up in F2. In Melbourne, that guy was nowhere. Yuki should look around other teams for 2026.