2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[f1isgood]

Except the RB21 looks neither pointy nor loose. Look at Liam’s laps in the car, it’s understeer and lack of commitment that kills the time for him.

I don't get it either. Look at the McLaren, that's a pointy car.

It's an old narrative from the last regulations where the RB was very sharp on the front, largely due to its high rake philosophy. Since 2022 this hasn't been the case. Out of all the top teams you'd have to say the RB looks the least responsive on the front, especially in medium and low speed corners. Max still manages to rotate the car with some trickery, that is his secret relative to his teammates in this car. I suspect it's a combination of adding a lot of front wing (and tolerating it in high speed), braking early and prioritising the exit, knowing the limit of grip on the front precisely, and insane consistency.

The real issue here is not the second seat, it's the fact that RB can't produce a balanced car anymore, the second seat is a symptom. Max can drive around the issues better but they are losing competitiveness compared to the other teams. We saw what Max could do in a car that had a lot of downforce and good balance in 2022 and 2023, and Perez was winning races and being a decent driver then because the car had reasonable balance.

It's also the regulations. Red Bull are in debugging mode after they got some things wrong last year. That is why it's like this. The 2022 car was good as you rightly said, same with 2023 at least partly.
Right now the car is just not in a good enough spot for somebody to just come in and show serious pace.

[euv2]

Rumours of special livery for Japan . Maybe only special racesuits/helmet though idk.

https://x.com/daz0790/status/1904869251053203793

Maybe they have something in store, cheeky tweet from RB employee.

[Wouter]

Rumours of special livery for Japan . Maybe only special racesuits/helmet though idk.

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https://x.com/daz0790/status/1904869251053203793

Maybe they have something in store, cheeky tweet from RB employee.

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This isn't from a RB employee. This is a RBR Fan Account.

[euv2]

Rumours of special livery for Japan . Maybe only special racesuits/helmet though idk.

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https://x.com/daz0790/status/1904869251053203793

Maybe they have something in store, cheeky tweet from RB employee.

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This isn't from a RB employee. This is a RBR Fan Account.

Daz is not a RB employee? He's recently posted pictures of the RB main building, WindTunnel building progress and I've also seen Dr.Obbs interact with the account regularly, so assumed he was working there.

[Wouter]

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https://x.com/daz0790/status/1904869251053203793

Maybe they have something in store, cheeky tweet from RB employee.

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This isn't from a RB employee. This is a RBR Fan Account.

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Daz is not a RB employee? He's recently posted pictures of the RB main building, WindTunnel building progress and I've also seen Dr.Obbs interact with the account regularly, so assumed he was working there.

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I thought you meant @RBR Daily who posted a white RB. Sorry, I didn't say anything then.
@Daz is indeed a RBR employee.

[wiktor977]

I like the decision.

If they'd put yuki in immediately, they would not have had a clear indicagion of the vcarb progress. The vcarb is an experimental platform to improve the rb21.

Now they know. Lawson did not pull a rabbit out of the hat, so swapping is a clear benefit.

Lawson did 50+ clean Laps in China with an experimental setup with no hope for points. That was his final audition. If you can not show your team you are able to master a corner and just complain, the conclusion is there I guess?

Reminds me of Yuki

[pantherxxx]

Red Bull is quick in fast corners. They're losing almost all their lap time to Mclaren in the slow corners, so Max will win in Suzuka, mark my words, and mark them well.

[organic]

Red Bull is quick in fast corners. They're losing almost all their lap time to Mclaren in the slow corners, so Max will win in Suzuka, mark my words, and mark them well.

in quali yes, but in race conditions on high fuel the car just can't use the tyre grip like McLaren

[organic]

According to AMuS:

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... -mercedes/

Marko once again publicly confirmed in Shanghai that the Dutchman's contract contains performance-related clauses. In other words, if Red Bull doesn't build a car capable of winning, the driver can leave.

The team has to try to keep the star driver happy. Hard-fought fourth places, as recently in China, are not enough for this.

. If the sporting situation doesn't improve quickly at Red Bull, the Austrian team is likely to see Max Verstappen leave, possibly for Mercedes according to AMuS.

After the first two GPs of the season, the pressure on Red Bull now increases with every free practice session, every qualifying session and every race.

The RB21 is not yet the winning single-seater promised to Max Verstappen. In fact, it suffers from the same fundamental problems as its predecessor. Admittedly, these flaws are perhaps a little less pronounced than in 2024, and the team is better able to compensate for them through tuning, but in the end, Red Bull has to admit: the new worries are broadly the same as the old ones.

And that's never a good sign. The engineers haven't found a solution to the problems that have been troubling them since Imola last year, even after the winter. This Red Bull can perform well at certain times or in certain conditions, but it can also be unpredictable, with erratic performance depending on the type of tires used in particular.

[venkyhere]

I think the biggest 'fix' that the redbull team need is not in the car or in their engineering methodology or their windtunnel etc. The biggest 'fix' is in biology - remove Helmut Marko from the team. I don't think he is a 'driver coach', nor is he a strategist, nor an engineering policy maker, what is he ? "advisor" a.k.a Deitrich's Mateschitz's 'spotter', who is still allowed to act as the bridge between Austria management and the English team.
In my view, his only meaningful contribution was snatching Max into Redbull, beating Toto Wolf's attempts. Other than that, the guy has been nothing but a toxic presence in the team ; and this has been my opinion even before Hadjar-crygate.

[TeamKoolGreen]

6 months ago I asked "Why Lawson and not Tsunoda"...

Someone in RB has no balls to stay for his own decisions.
Team disintegration in progress.

Lawson because he beat Tsunoda and Colipinto in the Toyota series and beat Alex Albon in DTM in his rookie year. And was in the running for the title in the last race

[SirBastianVettel]

Red Bull is quick in fast corners. They're losing almost all their lap time to Mclaren in the slow corners, so Max will win in Suzuka, mark my words, and mark them well.

They've been marked.

[SirBastianVettel]

Lawson because he beat Tsunoda and Colipinto in the Toyota series and beat Alex Albon in DTM in his rookie year. And was in the running for the title in the last race

But how come they kept him on the sidelines for so long? To me that feels like they didn't see him as the next Verstappen.

[Cs98]

Marko once again publicly confirmed in Shanghai that the Dutchman's contract contains performance-related clauses. In other words, if Red Bull doesn't build a car capable of winning, the driver can leave.

Another interesting aspect to this. It's possible that those performance clauses relate to the WCC positioning, perhaps top 3? Another 3 weeks of that second car finishing outside the points could set them back severely in the WCC, and jeopardize their contract with Verstappen. Many considerations here.

[Wouter]

I think the biggest 'fix' that the redbull team need is not in the car or in their engineering methodology or their windtunnel etc. The biggest 'fix' is in biology

- remove Helmut Marko from the team.

I don't think he is a 'driver coach', nor is he a strategist, nor an engineering policy maker, what is he ?

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Well, removing Helmut Marko is making the car quicker according to you?

I never knew he designed the car.