2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

[GhostF1]

aramcos fuel is terrible, great point. Ive smelled it from the grandstands, at least 10-15hp less

Newcomers to the level of F1, you know... and the very fact the fuel itself is a challenge.
Perhaps FIA can level the playing field then and use a single fuel? I'm sure there will be objection to that too.

Try it yourself friend. When the Mercedes passed by today i payed attention very closely, Petronas smells really different...fast.. gives 20-30hp minimum. Aramco has to work on that, then they can fight at the top for sure

I need whatever ability it is that you possess to determine hp figures in a particular engine, from a particular fuel just from the smell.
Every manufacturer has smelt different since the beginning. Last regs many in the paddock said the Shell fuel in all Ferrari's smelt like grapefruit juice, the Merc's smelt metallic, ozone and the Honda's had a classic aggressive race car odour.

[madridista]

Newcomers to the level of F1, you know... and the very fact the fuel itself is a challenge.
Perhaps FIA can level the playing field then and use a single fuel? I'm sure there will be objection to that too.

Try it yourself friend. When the Mercedes passed by today i payed attention very closely, Petronas smells really different...fast.. gives 20-30hp minimum. Aramco has to work on that, then they can fight at the top for sure

I need whatever ability it is that you possess to determine hp figures in a particular engine, from a particular fuel just from the smell.

It works, you just have to focus really hard. On a serious note, and im sure most people did, but just in case, i hope that everyone understood the sarcasm.

The point is that any ad/disadvantage in the fuel between the teams is unquantifiable for the teams themselves, let alone for us spectators which makes it imo. ridiculous to point out as a prerequisite for improvement, when its obvious where the actual deficit is burdened

[zoroastar]

I don't know, Madridista said it's terrible. I know from Honda personnel's comments that extracting energy from the fuel has been a major challenge, and continues to be so. Don't underestimate the difference in the quality of race fuel.

I don't but let's no start jumping to conclusions.

It would be nice to see the numbers. I'm sure the FIA has them.

How good the fuel is would be one of the hardest things for anyone to actually know or quantify. So whoever said that... absolute nonsense. There is no way to know objectively how good any compound is compared to another without some form of completely transparent analysis across all fuels. Which has never happened. We don't even definitely know who had the best fuel in the last regs.

i think its kindof a moot point when were discussing different engine manufacturers. each fuel supplier is making a fuel specified to work best for that particular engine. judging them would have to be based off each ones effectiveness with the engine theyre supplying. you could say petronas is better or worse than exxon in a mercedes PU, but hard to say whats better for honda, or if theyd work better in another engine with different combustion tecniques. any failure of aramco would be linked with honda too in my opinion. is the current state of hondas combustion making it hard to get fuel that performs perfectly? sorta hard to make that judgement yet

[zoroastar]

Try it yourself friend. When the Mercedes passed by today i payed attention very closely, Petronas smells really different...fast.. gives 20-30hp minimum. Aramco has to work on that, then they can fight at the top for sure

I need whatever ability it is that you possess to determine hp figures in a particular engine, from a particular fuel just from the smell.

It works, you just have to focus really hard. On a serious note, and im sure most people did, but just in case, i hope that everyone understood the sarcasm.

The point is that any ad/disadvantage in the fuel between the teams is unquantifiable for the teams themselves, let alone for us spectators which makes it imo. ridiculous to point out as a prerequisite for improvement, when its obvious where the actual deficit is burdened

i found out a long time ago that sarcasm is very hit or miss in here where there are a lot of people that dont speak my language first haha. i have deleted many comments b4 post after i realized half the people in here would probably think i was a lunatic or an a$$hole, when i was just meaning to crack a joke.

[diffuser]

How good the fuel is would be one of the hardest things for anyone to actually know or quantify. So whoever said that... absolute nonsense. There is no way to know objectively how good any compound is compared to another without some form of completely transparent analysis across all fuels. Which has never happened. We don't even definitely know who had the best fuel in the last regs.

The FIA has rules for it so it must be measured.

Yes very good, that much is known, so obviously all fall within the mandatory range. But without an analysis or any reports on some of the compounds used and why, and released to the public. How could any of us know how "good" one fuel is over the other?

Claiming one gives up to 30 more hp is a complete fairy tale.

Oh, I agree. The min/max limits are so tight that I doudt there is much difference.

Plus I remembered reading in the regs that max fuel is measured in enegry now...maximum Fuel Energy Flow Rate of 3,000 Megajoules per hour (3,000MJ/h). Not in mass like before. So even if you had better fuel, the team running weaker fuel would be allowed to flow more of it. Of course you'd have to carry more fuel. So the car would be slower at the start of the race cause they'd have to carry more fuel. Which isn't AMR F1's case.

[collindsilva]

Alonso had problem with the seat both in sprint and race, how couldn't they fix this from sprint, also no upgrades made on the car, its the same from last race.
This issue was not reported during earlier races.

[mzso]

I need whatever ability it is that you possess to determine hp figures in a particular engine, from a particular fuel just from the smell.

It works, you just have to focus really hard. On a serious note, and im sure most people did, but just in case, i hope that everyone understood the sarcasm.

The point is that any ad/disadvantage in the fuel between the teams is unquantifiable for the teams themselves, let alone for us spectators which makes it imo. ridiculous to point out as a prerequisite for improvement, when its obvious where the actual deficit is burdened

i found out a long time ago that sarcasm is very hit or miss in here where there are a lot of people that dont speak my language first haha. i have deleted many comments b4 post after i realized half the people in here would probably think i was a lunatic or an a$$hole, when i was just meaning to crack a joke.

Little to do with how well people speak the language. You know, intonation doesn't really come through text... If you don't use quotes, italics or some other form of implication, people can only guess your intentions. And people being fools or jerks on the internet is pretty much a given.

[mzso]

I don't but let's no start jumping to conclusions.

It would be nice to see the numbers. I'm sure the FIA has them.

How good the fuel is would be one of the hardest things for anyone to actually know or quantify. So whoever said that... absolute nonsense. There is no way to know objectively how good any compound is compared to another without some form of completely transparent analysis across all fuels. Which has never happened. We don't even definitely know who had the best fuel in the last regs.

The FIA has rules for it so it must be measured.

Those tests don't answer how the combustion goes in practice and how much is the resulting power. And how different would it be with a different fuel.

[diffuser]

How good the fuel is would be one of the hardest things for anyone to actually know or quantify. So whoever said that... absolute nonsense. There is no way to know objectively how good any compound is compared to another without some form of completely transparent analysis across all fuels. Which has never happened. We don't even definitely know who had the best fuel in the last regs.

The FIA has rules for it so it must be measured.

Those tests don't answer how the combustion goes in practice and how much is the resulting power. And how different would it be with a different fuel.

My point was we'd know the octane level and energy density. That being said the rules have a min max limit, which makes the fuel a non issue.

[ispano6]

aramcos fuel is terrible, great point. Ive smelled it from the grandstands, at least 10-15hp less

Newcomers to the level of F1, you know... and the very fact the fuel itself is a challenge.
Perhaps FIA can level the playing field then and use a single fuel? I'm sure there will be objection to that too.

Try it yourself friend. When the Mercedes passed by today i payed attention very closely, Petronas smells really different...fast.. gives 20-30hp minimum. Aramco has to work on that, then they can fight at the top for sure

Ok, now that I know you're not being sarcastic, yes,
I know there are differences in teams race fuels. I've been to Suzuka 3 times, Vegas twice, Austin twice and was even a guest in the Alpine garage. Spent some good time at Suzuka smelling the difference. Some smell like jet fuel, some smell like kerosene lanterns. Some burn additives for that extra umph for that extra tenth. Guess what happens when you allow a superior fuel more flow and more of it. The maths is pretty evident. To say it is negligible is ignorance (not you Madridrista). These are new sustainable fuels that are not equal by any means. Nor were they equal before fully sustainable. Just that the performance likely converged by the end of the previous fuel era.

[Tommy Cookers]

The FIA has rules for it so it must be measured.

Those tests don't answer how the combustion goes in practice and how much is the resulting power. And how different would it be with a different fuel.

My point was we'd know the octane level and energy density. That being said the rules have a min max limit, which makes the fuel a non issue.

your FIA 'energy density' is (the Lower Heating Value) per kg of fuel
well this applies to eg running a heating system or a steam engine

the correct energy density with an internal combustion eg recip. engine is the LHV per kg stoichiometric mass of fuel
ie the energy of the amount of that fuel notionally needed to combine with 1 kg of air

eg methanol has 10% more stoichiometric energy density than gasoline does so produces 10% more power
but its mass-specific energy density is rubbish
same with nitromethane


and ....
RON is a test at 600 rpm (devised 95 years ago)
MON is a test at 900 rpm (devised 75 years ago)
they always give different 'octane numbers' with the same fuel
but F1 is driven at 10000 - 13000 rpm

[SSJ4]

i'm confused with this whole seat thing. Was it a recent upgrade to help with performance?. Mike krack says they might go back to an older spec for monaco

[GoranF1]

i'm confused with this whole seat thing. Was it a recent upgrade to help with performance?. Mike krack says they might go back to an older spec for monaco

Its either the excuse they decided to use for when Alonso doesn't want to drive anymore or something to to whit Honda's " countermeasures " ?

[Bill]

i'm confused with this whole seat thing. Was it a recent upgrade to help with performance?. Mike krack says they might go back to an older spec for monaco

Its either the excuse they decided to use for when Alonso doesn't want to drive anymore or something to to whit Honda's " countermeasures " ?

Or it is you excuse not to blame aston because they are infallible in the eyes of their fans

[mzso]

The FIA has rules for it so it must be measured.

Those tests don't answer how the combustion goes in practice and how much is the resulting power. And how different would it be with a different fuel.

My point was we'd know the octane level and energy density. That being said the rules have a min max limit, which makes the fuel a non issue.

That doesn't directly translate to power. For example they were talking about the components of the fuel behaving differently, causing issues.