2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

[diffuser]

I was talking more about the chance of maybe a miraculous 1 point if it rains or something, don't misunderstand me. Also said " But I think the Aston is still too under powered and possibly overweight (until the B-spec) do do much,".

If they get into Q3 points are possible because it's impossible to pass in Monaco.

3 things improve the chances on making it into Q3 in Monaco.
#1 The lack of need of power on the track, reduces the AMR26's main weakness.
#2 in qualifying there is a reduced limit to 7MJ on recharging, again levels up the playing field for the AMR26.
#3 A lot of the lap time in Quali comes from confidence in the car, Can Alonso build that confidence?


No doubt they are a long shot.

[TyreSlip]

I was talking more about the chance of maybe a miraculous 1 point if it rains or something, don't misunderstand me. Also said " But I think the Aston is still too under powered and possibly overweight (until the B-spec) do do much,".

If they get into Q3 points are possible because it's impossible to pass in Monaco.

3 things improve the chances on making it into Q3 in Monaco.
#1 The lack of need of power on the track, reduces the AMR26's main weakness.
#2 in qualifying there is a reduced limit to 7MJ on recharging, again levels up the playing field for the AMR26.
#3 A lot of the lap time in Quali comes from confidence in the car, Can Alonso build that confidence?


No doubt they are a long shot.

For point #2, this would actually hinder Aston Martin in qualifying because they need as much charge as possible before beginning a lap as they will not recharge as much during a lap compared to other engines.

[hollus]

So, ICE power.

From this video:


It looks like the Astons are about 4.5% down in top speed while on ICE alone, compared to most others. Feel free to derive a more precise delta if you wish. That is good enough for government work, me thinks.

Assuming equal drag and with power drag changing with the cube of speed, we get that the Astons ICe delivers about 87.1% of th epower of the average other car.
13% deficit on ICE alone. Not quite the 100 HP rumored, but a lot! Is that like 65 HP?
They'd of course also be missing durng acceleration...

[Badger]

So, ICE power.

From this video:


It looks like the Astons are about 4.5% down in top speed while on ICE alone, compared to most others. Feel free to derive a more precise delta if you wish. That is good enough for government work, me thinks.

Assuming equal drag and with power drag changing with the cube of speed, we get that the Astons ICe delivers about 87.1% of th epower of the average other car.
13% deficit on ICE alone. Not quite the 100 HP rumored, but a lot! Is that like 65 HP?
They'd of course also be missing durng acceleration...

It’s a 52 kW or 70 HP deficit if we operate under the assumption that the other cars are around 400 kW.

It’s massive, probably worse than 2015 in terms of % deficit.

[diffuser]

So, ICE power.

From this video:


It looks like the Astons are about 4.5% down in top speed while on ICE alone, compared to most others. Feel free to derive a more precise delta if you wish. That is good enough for government work, me thinks.

Assuming equal drag and with power drag changing with the cube of speed, we get that the Astons ICe delivers about 87.1% of th epower of the average other car.
13% deficit on ICE alone. Not quite the 100 HP rumored, but a lot! Is that like 65 HP?
They'd of course also be missing durng acceleration...

Wow, I really thought they were closer, no much but closer.

[diffuser]

I was talking more about the chance of maybe a miraculous 1 point if it rains or something, don't misunderstand me. Also said " But I think the Aston is still too under powered and possibly overweight (until the B-spec) do do much,".

If they get into Q3 points are possible because it's impossible to pass in Monaco.

3 things improve the chances on making it into Q3 in Monaco.
#1 The lack of need of power on the track, reduces the AMR26's main weakness.
#2 in qualifying there is a reduced limit to 7MJ on recharging, again levels up the playing field for the AMR26.
#3 A lot of the lap time in Quali comes from confidence in the car, Can Alonso build that confidence?


No doubt they are a long shot.

For point #2, this would actually hinder Aston Martin in qualifying because they need as much charge as possible before beginning a lap as they will not recharge as much during a lap compared to other engines.

Well, that's why it helps them, it's reduced from 8 MJ. They can't get to 8MJ, they might not make it to 7MJ either but atleast they're not fighting cars that are recovering 8MJ. They all start the lap on a full charge so that's the same 4MJ. In a race it's limited to 8.5mj, 9 mj if you're within 1 seconds of the car in front of you.

[karana]

If they get into Q3 points are possible because it's impossible to pass in Monaco.

3 things improve the chances on making it into Q3 in Monaco.
#1 The lack of need of power on the track, reduces the AMR26's main weakness.
#2 in qualifying there is a reduced limit to 7MJ on recharging, again levels up the playing field for the AMR26.
#3 A lot of the lap time in Quali comes from confidence in the car, Can Alonso build that confidence?


No doubt they are a long shot.

For point #2, this would actually hinder Aston Martin in qualifying because they need as much charge as possible before beginning a lap as they will not recharge as much during a lap compared to other engines.

Well, that's why it helps them, it's reduced from 8 MJ. They can't get to 8MJ, they might not make it to 7MJ either but atleast they're not fighting cars that are recovering 8MJ. They all start the lap on a full charge so that's the same 4MJ. In a race it's limited to 8.5mj, 9 mj if you're within 1 seconds of the car in front of you.

Do you have a source for the 7MJ? I would be surprised if Monaco is one of the tracks with a reduced recharge in Q laps compared to race laps.

[diffuser]

For point #2, this would actually hinder Aston Martin in qualifying because they need as much charge as possible before beginning a lap as they will not recharge as much during a lap compared to other engines.

Well, that's why it helps them, it's reduced from 8 MJ. They can't get to 8MJ, they might not make it to 7MJ either but atleast they're not fighting cars that are recovering 8MJ. They all start the lap on a full charge so that's the same 4MJ. In a race it's limited to 8.5mj, 9 mj if you're within 1 seconds of the car in front of you.

Do you have a source for the 7MJ? I would be surprised if Monaco is one of the tracks with a reduced recharge in Q laps compared to race laps.

That's just the stated amount at the initial release of the change. It was 6MJ in Montreal so yeah there is a chance it could be higher.

oh dear. I just found the Maximum recharge per lap in qualifying at Monaco and it's 9MJ. Well that sucks....
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/f1s- ... -revealed/

[karana]

Well, that's why it helps them, it's reduced from 8 MJ. They can't get to 8MJ, they might not make it to 7MJ either but atleast they're not fighting cars that are recovering 8MJ. They all start the lap on a full charge so that's the same 4MJ. In a race it's limited to 8.5mj, 9 mj if you're within 1 seconds of the car in front of you.

Do you have a source for the 7MJ? I would be surprised if Monaco is one of the tracks with a reduced recharge in Q laps compared to race laps.

That's just the stated amount at the initial release of the change. It was 6MJ in Montreal so yeah there is a chance it could be higher.

oh dear. I just found the Maximum recharge per lap in qualifying at Monaco and it's 9MJ. Well that sucks....
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/f1s- ... -revealed/

I would not be too worried about that. They should be able to get that with braking and part throttle recovery alone. I'm not even sure they can deploy that much energy, especially in qualifying.

[zoroastar]

So, ICE power.

From this video:


It looks like the Astons are about 4.5% down in top speed while on ICE alone, compared to most others. Feel free to derive a more precise delta if you wish. That is good enough for government work, me thinks.

Assuming equal drag and with power drag changing with the cube of speed, we get that the Astons ICe delivers about 87.1% of th epower of the average other car.
13% deficit on ICE alone. Not quite the 100 HP rumored, but a lot! Is that like 65 HP?
They'd of course also be missing durng acceleration...

it seems like theyve had a pretty good idea about hp numbers since about 2 races in. whoever "they" are. i wonder what they say about average HP per lap with deployment/charging going on.

[V10FURY]

So, ICE power.

From this video:


It looks like the Astons are about 4.5% down in top speed while on ICE alone, compared to most others. Feel free to derive a more precise delta if you wish. That is good enough for government work, me thinks.

Assuming equal drag and with power drag changing with the cube of speed, we get that the Astons ICe delivers about 87.1% of th epower of the average other car.
13% deficit on ICE alone. Not quite the 100 HP rumored, but a lot! Is that like 65 HP?
They'd of course also be missing durng acceleration...

Wow, I really thought they were closer, no much but closer.

We will have to wait until after Race 15 to see if Honda can claw back some of the 70+ Hp deficit to Mercedes. The battery recharging is the additional power issue each lap which is making the overall package so uncompetitive this year. Doesn’t look like any hope of rain this weekend unfortunately which might have given Alonso an extra chance of getting into Q2.

[diffuser]

So, ICE power.

From this video:


It looks like the Astons are about 4.5% down in top speed while on ICE alone, compared to most others. Feel free to derive a more precise delta if you wish. That is good enough for government work, me thinks.

Assuming equal drag and with power drag changing with the cube of speed, we get that the Astons ICe delivers about 87.1% of th epower of the average other car.
13% deficit on ICE alone. Not quite the 100 HP rumored, but a lot! Is that like 65 HP?
They'd of course also be missing durng acceleration...

it seems like theyve had a pretty good idea about hp numbers since about 2 races in. whoever "they" are. i wonder what they say about average HP per lap with deployment/charging going on.

So that is an interesting question. I think I'd like to know how much each PU manufacturer recharge in a lap. In quali, any given lap of a race and the average recharge during all the laps of a race. It should be something in live timing but it's not.

[OnEcRiTiCaL]

So, ICE power.

From this video:


It looks like the Astons are about 4.5% down in top speed while on ICE alone, compared to most others. Feel free to derive a more precise delta if you wish. That is good enough for government work, me thinks.

Assuming equal drag and with power drag changing with the cube of speed, we get that the Astons ICe delivers about 87.1% of th epower of the average other car.
13% deficit on ICE alone. Not quite the 100 HP rumored, but a lot! Is that like 65 HP?
They'd of course also be missing durng acceleration...

That Aston still shaking like want to fall apart. Look at side section. Ridiculous

[SSJ4]

so if newey doesn't turn up this weekend. safe to assume that he's been ill for several weeks is true?

[mzso]

It's not affecting Lance....

He has a different seat.

I don't think you're understanding Krack's words properly.
The seat for both drivers are both in a more extreme inclination due to the aerodynamic design direction by Newey. The pressure points on the driver has shifted because of that. Alonso's body can't take the bumps anymore when so reclined and they will now make his seat more upright.

Age could have something to do with this. See Lewis and Alonso in 2022 crying for their backs.

They still have different seats, and very different body proportions. Something might be poking at Alonso that isn't for stroll. More likely than being too old for discomfort... No one said, the seats aren't inclined...