2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

[GoranF1]

So whats the final update, is the B spec coming before break or after. What about the upgraded engine. any ideas..

new engine for spa is what the rumours are currently saying.

70hp?

[collindsilva]

So whats the final update, is the B spec coming before break or after. What about the upgraded engine. any ideas..

new engine for spa is what the rumours are currently saying.

70hp?

Do you think they can recover 70hp with the new engine ..

[TyreSlip]

new engine for spa is what the rumours are currently saying.

70hp?

Do you think they can recover 70hp with the new engine ..

It took Honda seven years to catch Mercedes with the previous turbo rules. They are not recovering 70hp in half a year.

[zoroastar]

honda are going to need to find more than +/_ 70hp. with the changes for 27-28 the ICE is going up even further. hopefully the fact that honda voted for it means that they believe itll help as opposed to leaving them further behind.

[ispano6]

F1 journalists starting to talk more about fuel.

Best fuel hierarchy as it is understood right now: ExxonMobil, Petronas, Shell, BP, Aramco.

Hopefully Aramco's Version 2 fuel will bring them closer to ExxonMobil. ExxonMobil greatly benefited from working with Honda, I expect the same with Aramco.

You're conflating ICE power with feul energy.

I can make shiit up too you know. It's understood they put Amarco fuel in the RBPT ICE and it made so much power the FIA had to ban RBPT from using Amarco fuel.

Be my guest. Internal Combustion Engines aka ICE combusts FUEL. It gives off energy. Better combustion equals more power. Combustion shape contributes to more efficient burn. Combustion shape is determined by fuel quality and stability. The fuel is the source. No conflating, just the obvious fact.

[Farnborough]

honda are going to need to find more than +/_ 70hp. with the changes for 27-28 the ICE is going up even further. hopefully the fact that honda voted for it means that they believe itll help as opposed to leaving them further behind.

There's two, different, aspect to this outlook. The two are not the same in effect.

The difference between Honda and other PU manufacturers being one. Limited by competing with the same raw energy cap as all teams operate within.

The other, 27/28 regulation, is the lifting of fuel allowance, and planning for it with capacity in tank, flow limits etc. This specifically aimed at changing the balance of output between ICE & E performance. A rebalancing of the rules that will change all competitors.

[collindsilva]

honda are going to need to find more than +/_ 70hp. with the changes for 27-28 the ICE is going up even further. hopefully the fact that honda voted for it means that they believe itll help as opposed to leaving them further behind.

There's two, different, aspect to this outlook. The two are not the same in effect.

The difference between Honda and other PU manufacturers being one. Limited by competing with the same raw energy cap as all teams operate within.

The other, 27/28 regulation, is the lifting of fuel allowance, and planning for it with capacity in tank, flow limits etc. This specifically aimed at changing the balance of output between ICE & E performance. A rebalancing of the rules that will change all competitors.

Since Honda engine has the most development potential and considering them with max ADOU allocation given, keeping the 27/28 development in mindset, they can potentially be the top engine within next 2 years.

[diffuser]

F1 journalists starting to talk more about fuel.

Best fuel hierarchy as it is understood right now: ExxonMobil, Petronas, Shell, BP, Aramco.

Hopefully Aramco's Version 2 fuel will bring them closer to ExxonMobil. ExxonMobil greatly benefited from working with Honda, I expect the same with Aramco.

You're conflating ICE power with feul energy.

I can make shiit up too you know. It's understood they put Amarco fuel in the RBPT ICE and it made so much power the FIA had to ban RBPT from using Amarco fuel.

Be my guest. Internal Combustion Engines aka ICE combusts FUEL. It gives off energy. Better combustion equals more power. Combustion shape contributes to more efficient burn. Combustion shape is determined by fuel quality and stability. The fuel is the source. No conflating, just the obvious fact.

How do you know which fuel does the things you mentioned above better? You don't know, because you lack any factual measurements of the fuel. You have no clue, because nobody does.

You wouldn't even know how to determine whether one fuel is better than another, or how the FIA measures it, because the FIA doesn't publicize its methodology.

Your only rationale is that Honda's ICE produces the least amount of power, so your thinking is: "I'm Japanese, I can't believe Honda has failed... Ah, I know, it must be the fuel."

That's wishful thinking, not a fact-based argument.

[hollus]

Let’s not get personal…

[zoroastar]

70hp?

Do you think they can recover 70hp with the new engine ..

It took Honda seven years to catch Mercedes with the previous turbo rules. They are not recovering 70hp in half a year.

obviously not. if they recover too fast they will be making things too easy on themselves, and honda are not a boastful company. if they are too slow, its obviously the chassis or fuel suppliers fault. what ever happens, they will be perfect.

[GoranF1]

70hp?

Do you think they can recover 70hp with the new engine ..

It took Honda seven years to catch Mercedes with the previous turbo rules. They are not recovering 70hp in half a year.

I asked if ot was 70! Because everything below is not gonna be enough.

[Jambier]

Regarding engine:

- Audi brought the first ADUO in Spain. A bit of gain, not so much
- Ferrari will bring in Austria the first ADUO, less than 10 HP, and probably another one less than 10HP
- Mercedes will bring reliability upgrade for engine

Honda has split the team:
- They are working already on the 27' engine given all the issues, power down, weight etc... compare to the other
- And they will bring only one ADUO upgrade. They won't use the other one.

They speak about a "reasonable upgrade" but not a game changer: My prediction is that this B version of the engine will improve every aspect, and bring only 20HP to the engine.

Then there is the chassis upgrade as well, but the most realistic is to fight with Williams at best, and beat Cadillac.
I don't expect much.

Sadly I expect 2027 to fight for the points and not more. I have more confidence for 2028/2029

[mzso]

new engine for spa is what the rumours are currently saying.

70hp?

Do you think they can recover 70hp with the new engine ..

Maybe he meant peak power.

Although If I want to be really optimistic: With the rumored info, that the engine cannot be run at full power because the mounting system needs to be re-designed, and actually performance improvement on the ICE. Maybe?

honda are going to need to find more than +/_ 70hp. with the changes for 27-28 the ICE is going up even further. hopefully the fact that honda voted for it means that they believe itll help as opposed to leaving them further behind.

Well, with ADUO they can improve the ICE. They can't change the electric part.

[Jambier]

Do you think they can recover 70hp with the new engine ..

It took Honda seven years to catch Mercedes with the previous turbo rules. They are not recovering 70hp in half a year.

I asked if ot was 70! Because everything below is not gonna be enough.

According to rumors, the ICE is under 10% deficit.
Meaning that the peak ICE power is at worst 50-60hp down to the best one.
70hp makes no sense, if they can recover half of it, let's say 25 hp within the season with the ADUO and the rest during the winter it is good.

But the electrical side is another story... and energy harvesting etc.

[FNTC]

Well, with ADUO they can improve the ICE. They can't change the electric part.

Wrong. Only the ICE is used for the ADUO ranking, but the whole PU can be changed:

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... bKhHOd7GdD

Once ADUO comes into play, developments can be applied to a range of power unit components.

As per the FIA’s list, permitted upgrades include elements of the ICE, engine exhaust system, Turbocharger and waste gate/pop-off, ICE- or exhaust-mounted electrical components and sensors, ERS (and associated cooling systems), the MGU-K, and the car’s Control Electronics, along with hydraulic functions, fluids and ballast.