Two Lollipop Men

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horse wrote:
axle wrote:A persons field of view is wider than you've marked a quick flick of the eyes down the track will confirm if it's clear or not...though his periferal vision will already have already delivered that information.
Yeah, but my feeling is that it's very hard to concentrate on both your point of focus and your peripheral vision. Some of the poor releases last season might back this up. We're not rabbits after all. :)

Anyway, talking of alternative pit strategies, what are the two centre guys doing in this pit stop?

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Keeping the thing steady, like when there was refueling, that guy kept the car steady in a way.

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I always liked the built in jacks of champ cars.
Before I do anything I ask myself “Would an idiot do that?” And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing. - Dwight Schrute

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ESPImperium wrote: Keeping the thing steady, like when there was refueling, that guy kept the car steady in a way.
Yeah, I suppose there isn't a large contact patch at the rear (just the crash structure, right?). Don't know about the front. It's interesting to see that Renault don't feel they need people to do this.
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horse wrote:
axle wrote:A persons field of view is wider than you've marked a quick flick of the eyes down the track will confirm if it's clear or not...though his periferal vision will already have already delivered that information.
Yeah, but my feeling is that it's very hard to concentrate on both your point of focus and your peripheral vision. Some of the poor releases last season might back this up. We're not rabbits after all. :)

Anyway, talking of alternative pit strategies, what are the two centre guys doing in this pit stop?

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Where the guy on the right hands are, would be the base of the pitot tube and where the connections for the pressure tubes (there are two) would be located. Maybe one tube came undone? Or the pitot's height needed readjusting? He seems to be looking at the dash (relative reading) while adjusting. If he was balancing the car, I don't think his hands would be in that position...IMHO
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First time I saw the thread title, I was worried it might contain NSFW content that I might regret ever seeing. :mrgreen:

For my $0.02, I also prefer a pit-release light hanging on the boom overhead & in-front of the driver, remotely controlled by a spotter (former lollipop guy) who's watching the action and looking out for oncoming cars. The only thing I might add would be a large convex mirror behind the light that would allow the driver to see what's going on behind him (problems with rear-wheel change, or oncoming car). That might help prevent the driver from inadvertently dragging any of the pit-crew half the length of the pit in case the spotter mistakenly releases him too early... Although that probably would've been more useful back when refueling was still allowed.

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Heres an idea, what if there is a button on the back of each wheel gun, after finishing changing the wheels over he hits the button, The lolly pop man well the guy that controls the light (system Mercedes and Ferrari are using.) his only job is to look up the pit lane, on the control he has in his hand he has a red light, after all tyres are changed this turns green. He doesn't even need to look at the car just look up the pit lane and hold the controller in his sight of vision as soon as the light turns green he hits the button if its safe, away you go.
Can't see myself there being any way quicker.

Just my 2p's worth.
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Again, human error.

Shooting your hand into the air is easier than pressing a button. A button can fail, a light can fail. An arm always works. The cars are very low, and visibility will not be a problem.

The jackman will now be the one who is responsible for the fast release of the car. If there are no cars coming down the pit lane, the lollyman really just has to make sure the jacks are disconnected and the jackmen are out of the way before releasing the car.

Since there is less to do this year, and since the original poster has gone back and admitted this might not be the best idea, I don't see a reason to complicate the issue, that is not as complicated as before.

I am in a playful mood today for some reason.

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hmm Giblet, is it because of this?

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That game took three years off my life expectancy, but it was worth it.

It's going to be very interesting to see how the different teams adapt to the new requirements that will change how pit stops are done. Now, changing the wheels is vitally important, no longer limited by the time it took to add fuel.

But I prefer the present system, where each team is free to chose their methods, as long as safety is respected. Asking the FIA to mandate pit stops is against my vision of what racing in Formula One should be. To me, it's like mandating engines, chassis, and such where the originality and creativity of the crews within Formula One are restricted.

As long as it's safe, I prefer to allow each team to use whatever method they pick. If Ferrari choose to return to a new version of their traffic lights, so be it. If it works, I applaud them. If it doesn't, well... we all remember Massa and Singapore.

I do believe the picture of the McLaren pit stop illustrates the need to have a couple of bodies keeping the car upright and stable. When you now have four strong men bashing and physically manhandling the wheels, putting the car on it's side becomes a real possibility. It's a simple decision to have a person on each side of the car to keep it from becoming unstable and slipping off a jackstand.

Ferrari appeared to posess a workable system when they introduced their traffic light system, but it validated one of the most important sayings ... KISS. They didn't keep it simple, and it was one of the major factors that hindered Massa's quest for the title.
Racing should be decided on the track, not the court room.

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Yes I guess I am still on a high from the game, even though at the end of the third period, I had to call an ambulance because I needed a quick defibrillation.

I randomly ran into Bobby Lou, his wife, and two kids, right before I moved from BC, in January. Since I didn't want to bug him as he was hoisting his kid up, I just snapped two pics of him with my iPhone. Even though the pictures came out crap, the look over his shoulder and thank you nod for not interrupting his rare private moment star struck me a bit. One is his damn foot, but the second shows his wife and his kid being hoisted up from behind.

The moment was better than a lame pic would have been even if you could tell who it was.

back to racing:

I also like the human element. Just because Ferrari wants a light pod, does not mean that it should not be scrutineered as hard as everthing else by Dr Whiting.

this was a funny moment, and shows that mechanics are just people to.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK2SrvL1Zes[/youtube]
Before I do anything I ask myself “Would an idiot do that?” And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing. - Dwight Schrute