2021 Turkish Grand Prix - Istanbul Park, Oct 08 - 10

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El Scorchio wrote:
Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:31 pm
Ah, I see we are back to the same old people trotting out the tired ‘dominant car’ cliche whenever the Mercedes is faster during a race weekend.

By that definition both cars have been ‘dominant’ at various points in the season, it’s just that conveniently it’s never applied the other way round by those so eager to try and push this narrative in a single direction.

I don’t think either car has been dominant all season. I think RBR were quicker- markedly in some races- until Silverstone (and actually had the closest thing to a ‘dominant’ car in Austria.) Since Silverstone Mercedes has been quicker but somewhat hampered/nullified by the weather and some poor strategy calls so not able to take advantage of it.
I don't think there has ever been a dominant car this season - it's really been strategy or luck.

Here's Shovlin's view for the rest of the season:
“It looks like a car that can win championships,” said Shovlin. “If you go back to the early part of the year, decisions that we’re taking on development, trying to balance the two years [2021 and 2022], one of our worries was at this end of the year, are we still going to be able to stick the car on pole, to get a front row lock out, to control a race?

“And it’s really reassuring that we are now getting into the last six, that we’ve shown we’ve got a package that can out-qualify [Red Bull] on a Saturday and out-race them on a Sunday.”
So it seems Shovlin feels Mercedes now has the better package. It makes the Pirelli debacle all the more disappointing considering Max suffered a DNF due to a tire issue and now Mercedes have apparently benefited from the new construction. It also makes Bottas incident where he essentially destroyed both Red Bulls in Hungary all the more decisive for both championships. Mercedes may now have the upper hand in outright pace but there are still question marks over whether or not they can keep the wick up without compromising reliability.

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I think you need to consider that Red Bull have also benefitted from the tyre change, by not having cars with failures that sends them into the wall at 180mph.
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SiLo wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:16 pm
I think you need to consider that Red Bull have also benefitted from the tyre change, by not having cars with failures that sends them into the wall at 180mph.
That is an intersting view of the tire change. Thank you.

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SiLo wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:16 pm
I think you need to consider that Red Bull have also benefitted from the tyre change, by not having cars with failures that sends them into the wall at 180mph.
Shame it happened AFTER their driver crashed while leading the race.

Seems incredible that every tire change by Pirelli benefits Mercedes :shock: :shock:

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sosic2121 wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:11 pm
SiLo wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:16 pm
I think you need to consider that Red Bull have also benefitted from the tyre change, by not having cars with failures that sends them into the wall at 180mph.
Shame it happened AFTER their driver crashed while leading the race.

Seems incredible that every tire change by Pirelli benefits Mercedes :shock: :shock:
Yes very odd how the team that takes best advantage of changes in F1 seem to benefit the most from changes in F1.
Felipe Baby!

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SiLo wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:54 pm
sosic2121 wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:11 pm
SiLo wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:16 pm
I think you need to consider that Red Bull have also benefitted from the tyre change, by not having cars with failures that sends them into the wall at 180mph.
Shame it happened AFTER their driver crashed while leading the race.

Seems incredible that every tire change by Pirelli benefits Mercedes :shock: :shock:
Yes very odd how the team that takes best advantage of changes in F1 seem to benefit the most from changes in F1.
Best team does best shocker!
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SiLo wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:54 pm
sosic2121 wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:11 pm
SiLo wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:16 pm
I think you need to consider that Red Bull have also benefitted from the tyre change, by not having cars with failures that sends them into the wall at 180mph.
Shame it happened AFTER their driver crashed while leading the race.

Seems incredible that every tire change by Pirelli benefits Mercedes :shock: :shock:
Yes very odd how the team that takes best advantage of changes in F1 seem to benefit the most from changes in F1.
It would be odd if The haven't took best advantage of changes that have been tailored to their needs #-o

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sosic2121 wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:53 pm
SiLo wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:54 pm
sosic2121 wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:11 pm

Shame it happened AFTER their driver crashed while leading the race.

Seems incredible that every tire change by Pirelli benefits Mercedes :shock: :shock:
Yes very odd how the team that takes best advantage of changes in F1 seem to benefit the most from changes in F1.
It would be odd if The haven't took best advantage of changes that have been tailored to their needs #-o
Would those be the same changes that were "tailored to their needs" and yet screwed them aerodynamically for the first part of the season? Those changes?
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They say some people have selective hearing, I think some have selective memories as well!
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Just_a_fan wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:06 am
sosic2121 wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:53 pm
SiLo wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:54 pm


Yes very odd how the team that takes best advantage of changes in F1 seem to benefit the most from changes in F1.
It would be odd if The haven't took best advantage of changes that have been tailored to their needs #-o
Would those be the same changes that were "tailored to their needs" and yet screwed them aerodynamically for the first part of the season? Those changes?
I thought we were talking about Pirelli.

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dans79 wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:30 am
They say some people have selective hearing, I think some have selective memories as well!
I selectively remember a secret tyre test for Mercedes...🤔

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Zynerji wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:50 am
dans79 wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:30 am
They say some people have selective hearing, I think some have selective memories as well!
I selectively remember a secret tyre test for Mercedes...🤔
And I remember 2019 thin gauge championship decider.

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But do you remember the first and last race of 2014 when the same team was disqualified from a session for violating the rules!
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sosic2121 wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:59 am
And I remember 2019 thin gauge championship decider.
You're referencing the wrong year!
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dans79 wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:40 am
sosic2121 wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:59 am
And I remember 2019 thin gauge championship decider.
You're referencing the wrong year!
Am I? :D
It's nice of you to acknowledge that tires played major part in 2018 championship.
But in 2019 IMO Ferrari had fastest car which was held back by tires.