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You can't read alot into the result of that race. 90% of the passing attempts by cars on cars with less than 1 second pace difference ended in tears. It is very hard to pass there, doubly so when it's wet and the track is drying.SmallSoldier wrote: ↑02 Oct 2022, 17:22Great race for the Team… P4 and P5… That’s why you don’t count your chickens before they hatch.
In a weekend where everything indicated that it was going to be a struggle, the Team had one of their best races… Beyond the positions, a couple of things to note:
A) Lando’s pace against Carlos was indicative an important step forward for the Team… Yes, Carlos struggled more than Charles, but in a tricky circuit against a car that had pace for pole, to match them for the majority of the race (because Lando was also matching his lap times while on Inters).
B) The performance of the update, considering it was just introduced this week, is encouraging… Hopefully there is a bit more in there through optimization and additional pace if they get in the in the sweet spot.
C) Alpine brought a much advertised upgraded floor to Singapore and based on previous races, it was expected for them to be miles ahead the road (even from Formula 1 race pace and qualifying pace analysis)… But during the race, Lando was always faster than Alonso, pulling consistently at 0,4 second per lap on average
D) Good job from Daniel to bring the car home, his pace versus Stroll was also a good sign… He did finished 30 seconds behind Lando, but not surprising if one considers that he was saving the Softs tires, he was on the “old” package and the normal gap we have seeing to Lando.
E) Great call from the Team to go as long as possible, beyond been lucky with the Safety Car, the outlap on the Mediums was horrible (Leclerc lost 10 seconds to Perez by pitting a lap earlier) than him for example)… Nothing to complain from the Strategy Team (and decent job by the Pit Stop crew also).
I don't think it is a glimmer of hope of development opportunities that was this design pivots purpose, to open up development paths. I'm not sure we will see much more this year, development wise, I suspect the main benefit is the on track learning of this package and how it works so that we can enhance its development it for next year, though it does appear to be faster.Mansell89 wrote: ↑02 Oct 2022, 17:31Great results for the team today.
A glimmer of hope that the new package may open up development avenues.
Lando had an excellent weekend, congratulations to him. Held it together in quali and drove a solid race.
Danny Ricc I’m made up for- he deserved some good fortune and drove a solid race with patience and accuracy.
What a points haul.
In regards to Alonso and Norris:diffuser wrote:You can't read alot into the result of that race. 90% of the passing attempts by cars on cars with less than 1 second pace difference ended in tears. It is very hard to pass there, doubly so when it's wet and the track is drying.SmallSoldier wrote: ↑02 Oct 2022, 17:22Great race for the Team… P4 and P5… That’s why you don’t count your chickens before they hatch.
In a weekend where everything indicated that it was going to be a struggle, the Team had one of their best races… Beyond the positions, a couple of things to note:
A) Lando’s pace against Carlos was indicative an important step forward for the Team… Yes, Carlos struggled more than Charles, but in a tricky circuit against a car that had pace for pole, to match them for the majority of the race (because Lando was also matching his lap times while on Inters).
B) The performance of the update, considering it was just introduced this week, is encouraging… Hopefully there is a bit more in there through optimization and additional pace if they get in the in the sweet spot.
C) Alpine brought a much advertised upgraded floor to Singapore and based on previous races, it was expected for them to be miles ahead the road (even from Formula 1 race pace and qualifying pace analysis)… But during the race, Lando was always faster than Alonso, pulling consistently at 0,4 second per lap on average
D) Good job from Daniel to bring the car home, his pace versus Stroll was also a good sign… He did finished 30 seconds behind Lando, but not surprising if one considers that he was saving the Softs tires, he was on the “old” package and the normal gap we have seeing to Lando.
E) Great call from the Team to go as long as possible, beyond been lucky with the Safety Car, the outlap on the Mediums was horrible (Leclerc lost 10 seconds to Perez by pitting a lap earlier) than him for example)… Nothing to complain from the Strategy Team (and decent job by the Pit Stop crew also).
You didn't mention that Norris was 6 tenths off of Alonso in quali.
Obviously though, if Alpine don't finish any more races this year, how fast or slow McLaren is doesn't really matter.
Alonso doesn't hustle for nothing. He knew the race was gonna be long and the only guy he really needed to pass was Norris. He didn't need to stay that close behind him, every race at Singapour has had atleast 1 safety car. He was biding his time trying to keep his inters fresh and Max behind.SmallSoldier wrote: ↑02 Oct 2022, 17:54In regards to Alonso and Norris:diffuser wrote:You can't read alot into the result of that race. 90% of the passing attempts by cars on cars with less than 1 second pace difference ended in tears. It is very hard to pass there, doubly so when it's wet and the track is drying.SmallSoldier wrote: ↑02 Oct 2022, 17:22Great race for the Team… P4 and P5… That’s why you don’t count your chickens before they hatch.
In a weekend where everything indicated that it was going to be a struggle, the Team had one of their best races… Beyond the positions, a couple of things to note:
A) Lando’s pace against Carlos was indicative an important step forward for the Team… Yes, Carlos struggled more than Charles, but in a tricky circuit against a car that had pace for pole, to match them for the majority of the race (because Lando was also matching his lap times while on Inters).
B) The performance of the update, considering it was just introduced this week, is encouraging… Hopefully there is a bit more in there through optimization and additional pace if they get in the in the sweet spot.
C) Alpine brought a much advertised upgraded floor to Singapore and based on previous races, it was expected for them to be miles ahead the road (even from Formula 1 race pace and qualifying pace analysis)… But during the race, Lando was always faster than Alonso, pulling consistently at 0,4 second per lap on average
D) Good job from Daniel to bring the car home, his pace versus Stroll was also a good sign… He did finished 30 seconds behind Lando, but not surprising if one considers that he was saving the Softs tires, he was on the “old” package and the normal gap we have seeing to Lando.
E) Great call from the Team to go as long as possible, beyond been lucky with the Safety Car, the outlap on the Mediums was horrible (Leclerc lost 10 seconds to Perez by pitting a lap earlier) than him for example)… Nothing to complain from the Strategy Team (and decent job by the Pit Stop crew also).
You didn't mention that Norris was 6 tenths off of Alonso in quali.
Obviously though, if Alpine don't finish any more races this year, how fast or slow McLaren is doesn't really matter.
Alonso was definitely faster in Qualifying, but yesterday was more about driver confidence than car pace (of course there is a relationship between them, but Alonso did Alonso things and had an amazing lap… He was consistently on great pace and that brings confidence
Nevertheless, from a Race Pace perspective, it wasn’t a matter of Alonso not been able to overtake Norris, it was simply pace differential between the cars.
That’s why I mention that it isn’t about the P4-P5, but most importantly about race pace… Which was up there and way faster than the rest of the midfield (AT, AM, AR)… And of course Alpine
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That’s your opinion… Watching the lap times through the whole race, the delta was created from very early in the race and Norris was also protecting his (and increasing the gap while doing so)… Not acknowledging that fact is just a bit myopic… Even when Alonso was pushing to keep Max behind him, Lando was either matching or increasing the gap.diffuser wrote:Alonso doesn't hustle for nothing. He knew the race was gonna be long and the only guy he really needed to pass was Norris. He didn't need to stay that close behind him, every race at Singapour has had atleast 1 safety car. He was biding his time trying to keep his inters fresh and Max behind.SmallSoldier wrote: ↑02 Oct 2022, 17:54In regards to Alonso and Norris:diffuser wrote: You can't read alot into the result of that race. 90% of the passing attempts by cars on cars with less than 1 second pace difference ended in tears. It is very hard to pass there, doubly so when it's wet and the track is drying.
You didn't mention that Norris was 6 tenths off of Alonso in quali.
Obviously though, if Alpine don't finish any more races this year, how fast or slow McLaren is doesn't really matter.
Alonso was definitely faster in Qualifying, but yesterday was more about driver confidence than car pace (of course there is a relationship between them, but Alonso did Alonso things and had an amazing lap… He was consistently on great pace and that brings confidence
Nevertheless, from a Race Pace perspective, it wasn’t a matter of Alonso not been able to overtake Norris, it was simply pace differential between the cars.
That’s why I mention that it isn’t about the P4-P5, but most importantly about race pace… Which was up there and way faster than the rest of the midfield (AT, AM, AR)… And of course Alpine
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Tends to happen when you start adding parts aimed at a different approach to aero balancing. Might help in one specific area, but upset others than wasn't designed to accept the corresponding airflow. Calling it a side-grade rather than upgrade.
McLaren seem to have a trend of introducing upgrades in 2 parts, we know there is more to come this year, so I expect the second part of this package next weekendXero wrote: ↑02 Oct 2022, 18:30I don't think we can use that race as any sort barometer for upgrade effectiveness, will need to wait to Suzuka where I think McLaren will be fairly competitive.
Tends to happen when you start adding parts aimed at a different approach to aero balancing. Might help in one specific area, but upset others than wasn't designed to accept the corresponding airflow. Calling it a side-grade rather than upgrade.