Confusion: Is McLaren Formula 1 Team the independent/privateer automaker team or full-factory automaker team?

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Re: Confusion: Is McLaren Formula 1 Team the independent/privateer automaker team or full-factory automaker team?

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the EDGE wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:37 pm
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AFAIK, Ron still is in charge of the automaking McLaren so to speak. And he first lost his shares in the team, and then was kicked out of the board.

So now not only the F1 team is owned by others, it is also run by others. So it's a privateer outfit that hasn't got anything to do with making road going autos.

Someone who's more knowledgeable can shed more light maybe.
Ron has no links at all with McLaren these days. He lost both the team and the automotive group about 5(?) years ago.

But yes, the F1 team isn't part of the road car set up.
???

McLaren F1 & McLaren automotive are as connected as Ferrari F1 & their road cars

They are both owned by the same group & operate out of the same facility at Woking, where both race & road cars are manufactured

Ferrari, of course, also build its own engines where as McLarens road car engines are built by Ricardo to McLarens requirements. The new V6 Hybrid was actually designed by McLaren employees

McLaren however are not considered a manufacture, as this denotes a team that builds its own F1 PU, which of course they do not. Being a manufacturer has nothing to do with whether the competitor builds road cars or not
Hmm. Never heard of this before.

You sure it's not to say it's an entity that mass manufactures road cars?
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Re: Confusion: Is McLaren Formula 1 Team the independent/privateer automaker team or full-factory automaker team?

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Is Mclaren Automotive be considered a car manufacturer? Is there any % of parts that are to be manufactured by Mclaren to be considered a manufacturer? Engine is outsourced, gearbox is outsourced, chassis is outsourced, suspension and brakes are outsourced (by all), so what do they make. Should a company that glues various parts together, has a tailoring and paint shop be considered a manufacturer? :roll:


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Re: Confusion: Is McLaren Formula 1 Team the independent/privateer automaker team or full-factory automaker team?

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PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑
Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:19 am
the EDGE wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:37 pm
Just_a_fan wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:56 pm

Ron has no links at all with McLaren these days. He lost both the team and the automotive group about 5(?) years ago.

But yes, the F1 team isn't part of the road car set up.
???

McLaren F1 & McLaren automotive are as connected as Ferrari F1 & their road cars

They are both owned by the same group & operate out of the same facility at Woking, where both race & road cars are manufactured

Ferrari, of course, also build its own engines where as McLarens road car engines are built by Ricardo to McLarens requirements. The new V6 Hybrid was actually designed by McLaren employees

McLaren however are not considered a manufacture, as this denotes a team that builds its own F1 PU, which of course they do not. Being a manufacturer has nothing to do with whether the competitor builds road cars or not
Hmm. Never heard of this before.

You sure it's not to say it's an entity that mass manufactures road cars?
I would tend to agree, in any other race series, the team backed by the manufacturer is the works team as opposed to the independent teams. I'm sure there are plenty of works teams that dont manufacture the engines used in their cars.

But F1 is a right old pickle,

We have red bull that really are a works team, but they dont sell cars.

We have Aston Martin that sell cars, but are very much mid pack and share a lot with Mercedes.

And we had lotus, that were nothing to do with actual lotus but had permission to use their name from the old racing team....

I think that generally the works / independent / privateer differentiator is about how much money the team has. Usually the factory backed teams splash the cash on everything and the privateers make do with last years cars.

If we apply that to F1 then in theory all teams spend the same now...... and while I would agree that its likely closer than it has been in the past I doubt we have actually got to parity.

To bring that back round to the OP, from my contorted logic I would say that Mercedes, Ferrari, Red Bull could be considered works teams, Mclaren and Alpine you could make the argument that they are. Below that not so much.

But I guess really, what is the point of the label? What is trying to be conferred by referring to Mclaren as a works team or not? Does it mean anything? Does it make any difference either way?

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FW17 wrote: ↑
Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:36 am
Is Mclaren Automotive be considered a car manufacturer? Is there any % of parts that are to be manufactured by Mclaren to be considered a manufacturer? Engine is outsourced, gearbox is outsourced, chassis is outsourced, suspension and brakes are outsourced (by all), so what do they make. Should a company that glues various parts together, has a tailoring and paint shop be considered a manufacturer? :roll:


just kidding
I think they make all tubs in-house now


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Re: Confusion: Is McLaren Formula 1 Team the independent/privateer automaker team or full-factory automaker team?

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Unc1eM0nty wrote: ↑
Wed Jan 25, 2023 1:56 pm
FW17 wrote: ↑
Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:36 am
Is Mclaren Automotive be considered a car manufacturer? Is there any % of parts that are to be manufactured by Mclaren to be considered a manufacturer? Engine is outsourced, gearbox is outsourced, chassis is outsourced, suspension and brakes are outsourced (by all), so what do they make. Should a company that glues various parts together, has a tailoring and paint shop be considered a manufacturer? :roll:


just kidding
I think they make all tubs in-house now


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... gJxEwpV7Do
That is great news. Hope they survived the 2020 crisis.