2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

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If I am Mercedes, I wouldn't care too much about P2 in the WCC. Better to get more wind tunnel and CFD runs for 1H 2024.

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Toto said it helps the team more if they finish P2 in the standings because of the prize money. Besides, Mercedes didn't exactly utilize that extra wind tunnel time properly last winter even though they finished 3rd...

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Merc were the fastest in the straights, did not expect expect that


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mkay wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2023 1:04 pm
If I am Mercedes, I wouldn't care too much about P2 in the WCC. Better to get more wind tunnel and CFD runs for 1H 2024.
I agree HOWEVER it means a couple thousands bonus for the race team finishing P2 vs P3. Lewis mentioned this in Singapore its important for the team. remember bonus structure is based on performance of the team P2 you get x money more which is shared and renumeration is calculated accordingly. With cost of living in UK i am sure the team members who work such long hours, away from family would welcome a couple more £££ in the pay packet. Yes it means nothing for lewis and george but the poor team members it could mean a good xmas for the family or a poor one.

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mstar wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2023 3:30 pm
mkay wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2023 1:04 pm
If I am Mercedes, I wouldn't care too much about P2 in the WCC. Better to get more wind tunnel and CFD runs for 1H 2024.
I agree HOWEVER it means a couple thousands bonus for the race team finishing P2 vs P3. Lewis mentioned this in Singapore its important for the team. remember bonus structure is based on performance of the team P2 you get x money more which is shared and renumeration is calculated accordingly. With cost of living in UK i am sure the team members who work such long hours, away from family would welcome a couple more £££ in the pay packet. Yes it means nothing for lewis and george but the poor team members it could mean a good xmas for the family or a poor one. I think Ted Kravitz mentioned its quite a big bonus the race team get finishing 1st in WCC.

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mkay wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2023 1:04 pm
If I am Mercedes, I wouldn't care too much about P2 in the WCC. Better to get more wind tunnel and CFD runs for 1H 2024.
It's a competition. As it turns out, both Merc and Ferrari care quite a lot about that P2. I initially thought some teams might prefer the gamesmanship of the windtunnel hours, but we have all been proven wrong. It simply doesn't happen. It's not rewarding enough.

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The WT scale is overplayed, especially between one or two positions. Take the dough every day of the week. That’s the motivator for employees.

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AR3-GP wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2023 3:38 pm

It's a competition. As it turns out, both Merc and Ferrari care quite a lot about that P2. I initially thought some teams might prefer the gamesmanship of the windtunnel hours, but we have all been proven wrong. It simply doesn't happen. It's not rewarding enough.
Indeed, any budget cap breach penalised with 10% ATR is equally not "rewarding" ie penalising enough
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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I thought it was interesting that when Hamilton got the puncture, Bono told him to change the differential settings (Diff mid 12). Do they have a special mode for limping back to the pits?

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AR3-GP wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2023 11:44 pm
I thought it was interesting that when Hamilton got the puncture, Bono told him to change the differential settings (Diff mid 12). Do they have a special mode for limping back to the pits?
either completely open or completely closed. they've had it since ages, at least 2014

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Luscion wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2023 2:09 pm
Merc were the fastest in the straights, did not expect expect that

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- HAM always/on most cases setup his car towards race. Instead RUS does the other way around, hence why he got better results in qualy and poor tyre management in races which reflects in his poorer results
- Due to long straights and cooler conditions the car bodywork didn't show any cooling vents meaning it was less draggy. Seems that the car cooling needs adds a lot of drag and the news that W15 will have improved cooling sounds good both for lowering the car's drag and for using higher engine modes
- speaking about ICE power modes/mapps, indeed they used a higher than usual engine mapping due to ambient lower temps here
- since Austin and the new floor they are constantly working with new things/setup choices aiming for the W15. Those are mainly done at the FP's with some voices saying that HAM opted to try one solution here at Vegas, hence his unusual qualy result (5 tenths slower that RUS) but it was way better in the race (maybe someone could place here both drivers lap times from the race) and only such race incidents from the start and that tyre puncture set him back for a poor result...
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atanatizante wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:29 pm
- HAM always/on most cases setup his car towards race. Instead RUS does the other way around, hence why he got better results in qualy and poor tyre management in races which reflects in his poorer results
- Due to long straights and cooler conditions the car bodywork didn't show any cooling vents meaning it was less draggy. Seems that the car cooling needs adds a lot of drag and the news that W15 will have improved cooling sounds good both for lowering the car's drag and for using higher engine modes
- speaking about ICE power modes/mapps, indeed they used a higher than usual engine mapping due to ambient lower temps here
- since Austin and the new floor they are constantly working with new things/setup choices aiming for the W15. Those are mainly done at the FP's with some voices saying that HAM opted to try one solution here at Vegas, hence his unusual qualy result (5 tenths slower that RUS) but it was way better in the race (maybe someone could place here both drivers lap times from the race) and only such race incidents from the start and that tyre puncture set him back for a poor result...
Russell seems slightly faster than Hamilton but Lewis had to make his way through traffic twice with 15 overtakes, between laps 32-42ish Lewis is faster and then again around lap 48 of the race Lewis & Piastri are faster and George


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Fp1 Vesti drives instead of Ham

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atanatizante wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:29 pm
- HAM always/on most cases setup his car towards race. Instead RUS does the other way around, hence why he got better results in qualy and poor tyre management in races which reflects in his poorer results
- Due to long straights and cooler conditions the car bodywork didn't show any cooling vents meaning it was less draggy. Seems that the car cooling needs adds a lot of drag and the news that W15 will have improved cooling sounds good both for lowering the car's drag and for using higher engine modes
- speaking about ICE power modes/mapps, indeed they used a higher than usual engine mapping due to ambient lower temps here
- since Austin and the new floor they are constantly working with new things/setup choices aiming for the W15. Those are mainly done at the FP's with some voices saying that HAM opted to try one solution here at Vegas, hence his unusual qualy result (5 tenths slower that RUS) but it was way better in the race (maybe someone could place here both drivers lap times from the race) and only such race incidents from the start and that tyre puncture set him back for a poor result...
"since Austin and the new floor they are constantly working with new things/setup choices aiming for the W15. Those are mainly done at the FP's with some voices saying that HAM opted to try one solution here at Vegas, hence his unusual qualy result (5 tenths slower that RUS)"

Where'd you hear that? If possible, could you tell me?