Mercedes W15 Speculation Thread

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Merc with very underexposed teaser.... looks like the sidepods are well and truly back!

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It's late season W14, the mid wing is present, while top side sidepod louvres are the ones from Qatar
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Looks to have a very high bulge on the upper engine cover, and intakes look very different to what we have seen so far from others.

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chrisc90 wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:02 pm
Looks to have a very high bulge on the upper engine cover, and intakes look very different to what we have seen so far from others.
It's the W14.
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the teaser is w14 clearly

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Vaexa wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:42 pm
trinidefender wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:34 pm
f1jcw wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:29 am

Wonder why they didn’t switch back to the old spec for races like silverstone
The chassis probably had to be modified when the new sidepods were put on. Wouldn't be feasible to change them back for those races. Also means that they learn less of the new concept reducing potential performance that they will be able to extract from the new package
Mercedes did not change any structural components for their Monaco update other than front suspension geometry (and even then, I believe they still reused the same pickup points). Certainly not the tub.
Wrong! Mercedes definitely modified the inlet for the chasis as well as the cooling and the radiators was positioned differently. As toto put it "it was a big surgery "

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Snippet from Formu1aUno article - https://formu1a.uno/ecco-perche-la-nuov ... -stagione/

Mercedes opted to lower the front arm of the upper triangle, thereby increasing the anti-squat to keep the aerodynamic platform of its own car as stable as possible, and consequently those of its customers, such as Aston Martin and Williams. But what stands out quite clearly is the compromise found on the push-rod by the former world champion team. In fact, the push-rod arm is positioned rather horizontally, especially when compared to the competitors' specifications. This is a compromise that tends to favor the aerodynamic effect of the profile over the purely mechanical part, which will be more difficult to control, especially when it comes to shock absorber excursions. However, in the design of any suspension, designers always make important compromises, whether in terms of angles, attachments or positioning of the internal suspension components. For this very reason, the Mercedes rear suspension is the first major new feature of this 2024 F1 season

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Luscion wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:19 pm
Snippet from Formu1aUno article - https://formu1a.uno/ecco-perche-la-nuov ... -stagione/

Mercedes opted to lower the front arm of the upper triangle, thereby increasing the anti-squat to keep the aerodynamic platform of its own car as stable as possible, and consequently those of its customers, such as Aston Martin and Williams. But what stands out quite clearly is the compromise found on the push-rod by the former world champion team. In fact, the push-rod arm is positioned rather horizontally, especially when compared to the competitors' specifications. This is a compromise that tends to favor the aerodynamic effect of the profile over the purely mechanical part, which will be more difficult to control, especially when it comes to shock absorber excursions. However, in the design of any suspension, designers always make important compromises, whether in terms of angles, attachments or positioning of the internal suspension components. For this very reason, the Mercedes rear suspension is the first major new feature of this 2024 F1 season
I find it interesting that Mercedes not only switched to rear push-rod (which brings some risks with it as it's quite a drastic change, at least in some aspects) but also seems to have gone for a very aggressive push-rod concept that differs from what other teams (like Red Bull) ran last year. Gives me some hope that they have a good reason for making the change and they have something specific in mind with the overall concept, rather than making the change simply to eliminate a variable. If you recall, Mercedes said one of the reasons for the new sidepod spec was more just wanting to eliminate the question around whether the zero-pod was at fault, rather than an overarching philosophy that was driving the decision. But it seems like they're not just copying other teams' design with the suspension. Makes me excited to see what they show on Wednesday!

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More anti-squat could suggest sacrificing some traction out of slow corners for better platform control (more stable downforce) around the rest of the lap.

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Gabriox wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:49 pm
Vaexa wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:42 pm
trinidefender wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:34 pm


The chassis probably had to be modified when the new sidepods were put on. Wouldn't be feasible to change them back for those races. Also means that they learn less of the new concept reducing potential performance that they will be able to extract from the new package
Mercedes did not change any structural components for their Monaco update other than front suspension geometry (and even then, I believe they still reused the same pickup points). Certainly not the tub.
Wrong! Mercedes definitely modified the inlet for the chasis as well as the cooling and the radiators was positioned differently. As toto put it "it was a big surgery "
Not without having the chassis crash-tested by the FIA. That was not reported anywhere.
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stonehenge wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2024 10:35 pm
It’s the same story for the suspension. Anti-dive anti-squat isn’t a silver bullet—it comes with tradeoffs. It’s all about whether you correctly understand how to make all areas of the car work well together. That’s something Mercedes has yet to show in the past two years. They need to make a big step this year and prove they understand the direction they need to take, even if they ultimately aren’t as quick as Red Bull because the regulations won’t change that much in 2026 and they need to get the hang of this before 2025.
For a team that "doesn't under the regulations", Mercedes have still been very fast!

The development that Mercedes have done have still put them in a very good (fast) place, consistently a top 2-3 WCC car, even if their car is hard to setup by their own admission. :)

We're guessing the W15 will move in a more " conventional " (i.e., Red Bull-like) direction in terms of the chassis layout and aerodynamics of the car, but who knows? :)

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Edd Straw & Mark Hughes mentioned that there was a "certain hint of slight frustration" behind Dan Fallows' words about the Merc 2024 rear suspension
There was in some of his language a certain hint of slight frustration, not massively but you just feel that maybe they thought there was a bit more they could do.
15:42 (bit earlier if you want context)
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/asto ... t-podcast/
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Between 2014 and 2020 Merc were masters of clever suspension like Fric, there was even the squatting they was running in the old rules not to mention DAB, what’s happened to all that engineering, it couldn’t have all been down to Costa?

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Very interested to see what Mercedes come up with.