Christian Horner under Investigation

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Circles, circles, circles again.
No spam, thanks. Bring something new to the discussion, or kindly refer to the past approx 200 pages.
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hollus wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:36 pm
Circles, circles, circles again.
No spam, thanks. Bring something new to the discussion, or kindly refer to the past approx 200 pages.
Problem is that some on here seem intent on victim blaming and don't seem to understand that no means no.

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That you think that is "the" problem, or that there is only one problem, that's part of the circles too.
This is a forum, in the internet. You are unlikely to change some people’s minds or to find absolute truth here.
And remember, the “side” you are trying to convince, they also think they are right, same as you, at least many of them.
The same arguments apply from the opposite side, like it or not.

Repeating again again gets no one anywhere. It quickly becomes TLDR, then spam, though.
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Last Sunday Helmut Marko:
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"From the Thai shareholders' side, everything is clear. Everything is okay for them. Whether there is anything more to come or not - no idea. It's a very complex matter that is difficult to understand." "We have other worries at the moment."

Will he continue to work as a "consultant" as usual? Marko: "Well... Well, I would say so. There are always talks and discussions."
With whom? "My direct superior is Red Bull CEO Oliver Mintzlaff."
Marko emphasises that his relationship with the German is "correct". His consultancy contract runs until the end of the 2026 season.
And will he fulfil it? "At the moment," says Marko after a short pause, "we have other things to worry about than what I'm doing."
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From an F1 Insider article translated by GT:
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Red Bull: Horner more powerful than ever

One thing is certain: a week before the fourth race of the premier class next Sunday in Japan, everything continues to revolve around the future of Horner and his racing team. F1-Insider.com knows: Thanks to the Thais, the Brit won the power struggle against the Austrian partners around 49 percent shareholder Mark Mateschitz, CEO Oliver Mintzlaff and motorsport boss Helmut Marko. They believed the employee and wanted to fire Horner.

Just: The Brit is now more powerful than ever. Horner has been given sole procura to make all important decisions for the two
Red Bull-operated teams, Red Bull Racing and Racing Bulls.
According to F1 insider information, this means that the Austrians are even thinking about leaving the Formula 1 commitment entirely to Horner and the Thais and continuing their own sponsorship activities such as football or ice hockey through a foundation founded by Dietrich Mateschitz. The Formula 1 race at the Red Bull Ring will run through the same foundation until 2029. After that, it is unlikely that Austria will keep its GP.

One thing is clear: Helmut Marko (80), close ally of Dietrich Mateschitz as well as creator and supporter of, among others, Sebastian Vettel and the current dominator Max Verstappen, has little desire to continue.
Marko's resignation no longer seems impossible.
That would finally drive Verstappen to Mercedes. This is made possible by a clause in Verstappen's contract, which runs until the end of 2028. It says: If Marko is gone, Verstappen can also go.
https://f1-insider.com/formel-1-red-bul ... her-62697/
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hollus wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2024 5:49 am
That you think that is "the" problem, or that there is only one problem, that's part of the circles too.
This is a forum, in the internet. You are unlikely to change some people’s minds or to find absolute truth here.
And remember, the “side” you are trying to convince, they also think they are right, same as you, at least many of them.
The same arguments apply from the opposite side, like it or not.

Repeating again again gets no one anywhere. It quickly becomes TLDR, then spam, though.
Nicely articulated. Our reality isn't painted in absolutes; portraying one side as inherently truthful and the other as deceitful oversimplifies matters greatly. With no clear and transparent examination of the case, determining who is morally right and wrong becomes impossible. Persistent bias only perpetuates the illusion of a stark divide.

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So basically unofficial confirmation from the complainant that the messages were genuine, and confirmation that they are scheduled for a tribunal. Anyone knows how long the delays are in the UK court systems for such a process?

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Cs98 wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:19 am
So basically unofficial confirmation from the complainant that the messages were genuine, and confirmation that they are scheduled for a tribunal. Anyone knows how long the delays are in the UK court systems for such a process?
A friend of mine went through the tribunal process recently and it took her roughly 9 months to get the hearing. A quick google search suggests 6 - 12 months is the average, although I would guess this may vary by region / season, etc.

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How long does an employment tribunal case take to complete?

This depends on the complexity of the case and the geographical area the claim is brought in.
There are regional employment tribunals all over the UK and the speed with which they deal with cases can vary enormously.
However, on average we would estimate that a basic unfair dismissal case may take around 12 months to complete,
while a more complex discrimination matter may take around 18-24 months to complete.
If the matter is settled via negotiation, then the timescale may be less than this.
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