2024 car comparison thread

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Well we are collectively tetchy today :D aren't we.

Admittedly I posted with slight "tongue in cheek" humour, but two down votes and counting ....

Its not an opinion piece but physics, down vote indicates either ignorance or arrogance of the topic. Constructive would be a counter view to say why you see it in a different light.

For those interested or enquiring, if you place the front of the boat level with the front axle line of these current F1 cars, then the flow line going down into the water and rising gently again toward the stern offers a FLUID representation of displacement .... in exactly the sidepod shape we see most successful in this rules set. The high point near cooling entrance, the enhanced "bellies" of sidepod underside, the gentle recovery in taper as the frequency of disturbance starts to diminish in it's energy.
Even to the point of how it levels out at the stern just where the beam wing sits.

Notice also that the lighter than water craft is being sucked down into the notional Fluid level as it does this.

Sometimes said that certain designers can "see" the flow, amusingly some on here can't acknowledge that even in this most visual of representation.

Wear your "ignorance is bliss" moniker with pride springs to mind.

Or come on here and put into words your construct for us to appreciate.

It's the car comparison thread, good reason why they are all effectively falling in line with this sidepod architecture.

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Rear view of McLaren, RB, mercedes, Ferrari in Monaco spec. No convergence in terms of beamwing design

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Mcl38 and rb20 at Imola rear view

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Interesting two of the best design concepts in 2024.


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I don`t know if this video is on the right thread, therefore mods feel free to move it if it`s inappropriate here...

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Back in business for Canadian GP:



and RW for this weekend:


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📸 Xavier Gàzquéz

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Impressive Verstapen gains during braking!


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Rear end comparisons from Canada, very different beam wing designs all over the grid

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And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Vanja #66 wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2024 11:32 am
Rear end comparisons from Canada, very different beam wing designs all over the grid
Can you think of a reason why? Are the floors/diffusers still that different per teams? You’d think that they converged by now. Or is the beam wing not that crucial to the overal performance?

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SirBastianVettel wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:52 pm
Can you think of a reason why? Are the floors/diffusers still that different per teams? You’d think that they converged by now. Or is the beam wing not that crucial to the overal performance?
Red Bull solutions inspired McLaren and AMR floors, while Mercedes and Ferrari are taking different routes. However, beam wings are fairly important drivers of diffuser and floor performance, so all teams are tailoring their solutions to their specific cars - beam wings do have rear suspension, sidepods and bunch of other things ahead of them. Also, if we look at them as floor extensions (and they are) they end up having a big influence on overall floor drag end aero efficiency
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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McLaren and Ferrari recently introduced similar ideas at the beamwing though. A stacked arrangement in the central span and transitions to a more biplane arrangement outboard

McLaren - new for monaco
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Ferrari - new for Canada
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Looks like it is pushing the air behind the rear wheels as well as upward to further increase the low pressure around the diffuser. Feels like they can also use a bigger beam wing without it sending too much airflow behind the rear wing.

I guess it is more efficient to generate Downforce from the beam wing than the RW as this has the duel benefit of energising the diffuser directly?
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