That's interesting. Do you mind if I ask for the source? I did reasoned before that if Red Bull woud pull out out of F1, WEC would be a very viable alternative.graham.reeds wrote:[OT] Building 9 is housing an Adrian Newey designed LMP1 car based on an Audi PU for 2016 Le Mans.
Sauber Petronas Engineering AG (SPE) was a company owned jointly by the Swiss racing car manufacturer Sauber (60%) and the Malaysian oil company Petronas (40%). It was founded in 1996 for the purpose of supplying engines to the Sauber Formula One team but at the same time the company began work on the design of production car engines for the Malaysian national car company Proton. The company also helped develop racing motorcycles like Petronas GP1.
Former Honda and Ferrari engineer Osamu Goto was in charge of the Powertrain Division, including the F1 engine program.
The engines were for many years nearly identical to the ones used by Ferrari but were branded Petronas. Sauber licensed nearly every legally licensable part from Ferrari and even had several Ferrari engineers on staff. The longterm aim of Sauber Petronas was to design and build its own F1 engines for the 1999 season but the program was abandoned, choosing instead to continue with the Ferrari units.
I thought the FIA banned the use of 'old' or last-year engines?bauc wrote:Red Bull are expected to announce at the season-ending Abu Dhabi GP they will use 'unbranded' Renault engines in 2016 while sister team Toro Rosso are expected to be powered by a year-old spec of Ferrari units (Sky Sports News)
It is inconceivable that Renault's legal team would allow RBR to have any type of "title" to their IP, unless they are writing contracts with Crayola. Even if RBR had some IP interest (title) to some improvements in the PU, that is light-years away from the being able to force Renault into giving them an engine to run or remake.olefud wrote:It’s all speculation. But from a legal viewpoint, think of Renault as owning the basis design and RBR having title to improvements now integrated into the design. This would be the basic/improvement patent standoff -Cannonballer wrote:I read your article and wonder about this portion:Matt Somers wrote:Firstly, have you read my article? I'm simply fleshing out the possibility, adding history to understand how it could happen. Secondly I've also gone on to debunk certain things in the comments section, simply because with time to think and do the necessary public information searches things don't stand up.
Furthermore, Noble/Motosport ran a piece yesterday which intimated, from an interview with Marchionne, that a similar arrangement could come to fruition with Ferrari.
I haven't said it is happening, rather, as usual I've sat on the fence and argued both sides. However, I'm not the only one who wrote about it the same day and was quoted in the Judges follow up article too..
"Whilst Bernie and the FIA might have needed convincing so too would Renault, however, from a legal standing the powerunit became an alliance the moment Red Bull started shuffling people and money through Viry's doors, something I'm sure Red Bull's lawyers could easily deal with if needed."
It has been repeatedly referred to in support of proposition that RBR has Intellectual Property rights to the Renault PU, such that RBR could force Renault into allowing RBR to use the PU as a starting point to build a RBR branded PU. That can't be what you meant right? If so, can you elaborate on the legal basis for that? Because that is unimaginable to me as someone trained in law...
Wazari wrote: There's a saying in Japan, He might be higher than testicles on a giraffe...........
Sauber will be getting the 2016 power unit, as will Haas. These supply deals have been in place for many months, longer for Sauber.Phil wrote:So, Torro-Rosso is to use 1 year old units and they will not receive any updates... What about Sauber? Can we assume they will run on 1 year old units too, or will they have the current 2016 ones and benefit from in-season development? ....
ReoPTy wrote:Illien "upgrades" was tested and are worst than renault solutions, making illien tiny support as a savior of red bull for 2016 is really silly!
Like to see the basis for this comment...The latest Renault upgrades how shown they provided no benefit and Illen has said his work is not on the current PU as far I I can see from the multitude of conflicting news articles....ReoPTy wrote:Illien "upgrades" was tested and are worst than renault solutions, making illien tiny support as a savior of red bull for 2016 is really silly!
because latest update aren't complete ! red bull refused to make room for new turbo, whicth is at least bigger than the merc one !aussiegman wrote:Like to see the basis for this comment...The latest Renault upgrades how shown they provided no benefit and Illen has said his work is not on the current PU as far I I can see from the multitude of conflicting news articles....ReoPTy wrote:Illien "upgrades" was tested and are worst than renault solutions, making illien tiny support as a savior of red bull for 2016 is really silly!
ReoPTy wrote:because latest update aren't complete ! red bull refused to make room for new turbo, whicth is at least bigger than the merc one !aussiegman wrote:Like to see the basis for this comment...The latest Renault upgrades how shown they provided no benefit and Illen has said his work is not on the current PU as far I I can see from the multitude of conflicting news articles....ReoPTy wrote:Illien "upgrades" was tested and are worst than renault solutions, making illien tiny support as a savior of red bull for 2016 is really silly!