Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 C37

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Re: Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 C37

Post by Vanja #66 » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:35 am

Nobody would allow any separation on their rear wing on purpose, especially with monkey seat gone. It reduces rear wing performance, diffuser performance as a result and therefore performance of entire car.

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Re: Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 C37

Post by PlatinumZealot » Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:47 pm

Moose wrote:
Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:41 am
PlatinumZealot wrote:
Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:09 am
Moose wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:05 am
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXyoH7SX0AAPX01.jpg
That's a wing that is... not working well.
Wing's working fine. DRS can cause flow separation at that point.
I don't buy that - mostly because you don't see this on other team's wings, as shown above by the Mercedes flow vis.
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Nobody would allow any separation on their rear wing on purpose, especially with monkey seat gone. It reduces rear wing performance, diffuser performance as a result and therefore performance of entire car.
Different wings.

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Re: Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 C37

Post by Vanja #66 » Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:52 pm

PlatinumZealot wrote:
Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:47 pm
Different wings.

http://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/14012 ... eri-bottas
I wasn't saying it doesn't happen, it most certainly does from time to time. It's a variable geometry with flow barely attached in the first place, of course there's gonna be an unexpected separation. And it's not a big deal since there are no common tools for this issue on the wing on that photo.

My point was you don't want that to happen, ever, as Valtteri demonstrated. :) Even with DRS it's not supposed to happen.

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Re: Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 C37

Post by cramr » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:12 am

Vanja #66 wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:54 am
That separation may be one of the reasons for an unstable performance trough corner.

Do notice there is no Gurney flap on that wing and neither a V slot for vortice generation, so it's not that surprising to see this kind of separation. G-flap and v-slot will help with that, but only the team knows if it will completely prevent separation.
I can be something related to what you say. There is no Gurney Flap so maybe they were investigating the effect of removing the Gurney flap in that wing and see if there was any problem

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Re: Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 C37

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Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 C37

Post by ScrewCaptain27 » Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:52 am

First look at the cooling package:
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Stacked radiators, a bit like the Caterham CT05.
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Post by ScrewCaptain27 » Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:57 am

And here’s a diagram by Craig Scarborough:
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Re: Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 C37

Post by lucafo » Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:49 pm

ScrewCaptain27 wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:57 am
And here’s a diagram by Craig Scarborough:
//uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201803 ... e78375.jpg
Maybe, is this the same concept Ferrari is using since last year?

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Re: Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 C37

Post by ScrewCaptain27 » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:02 pm

lucafo wrote:
ScrewCaptain27 wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:57 am
And here’s a diagram by Craig Scarborough:
//uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201803 ... e78375.jpg
Maybe, is this the same concept Ferrari is using since last year?
No, it’s a completely different configuration. Ferrari and Haas radiators are arranged in a forward V pattern, while the Sauber ones are stacked vertically. Closest would be the 2014 Caterham CT05:
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Obviously this car is a massive step forward in terms of packaging compared to the Caterham, which had extremely large sidepods.
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Re: Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 C37

Post by Blackout » Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:13 pm

ScrewCaptain27 wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:02 pm
lucafo wrote:
ScrewCaptain27 wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:57 am
And here’s a diagram by Craig Scarborough
//uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201803 ... e78375.jpg
Maybe, is this the same concept Ferrari is using since last year?
while the Sauber ones are stacked vertically. Closest would be the 2014 Caterham CT05:
//uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201803 ... 93edb2.jpg
Obviously this car is a massive step forward in terms of packaging compared to the Caterham, which had extremely large sidepods.
No the Caterham has a very classic layout. Many car had/have a similar one. Closest would be the W02
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Re: Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 C37

Post by senja » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:58 am

No. It's evolution of C32.

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Re: Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 C37

Post by Blackout » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:49 am

senja wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:58 am
No. It's evolution of C32.
No the C32 was completely different with almost vertical rads
http://img1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Est ... 659746.jpg

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Re: Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 C37

Post by Sevach » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:07 pm

C36 Abu Dhabi vs C37 test spec.
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Re: Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 C37

Post by Sevach » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:28 pm

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Re: Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 C37

Post by Sevach » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:56 am

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