Lost motivation: HAM.

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HAM done with F1 ?

Poll runs till Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:04 am

HAM will retire after 2018 season
12
15%
HAM will retire after 2019 season
10
12%
HAM will retire after 2020 season
15
18%
HAM will race in 2021 season
18
22%
HAM will go to Ferrari at some point
6
7%
HAM will take a sabbatical at some point
1
1%
HAM will become RNB/RAP artist
4
5%
HAM will become father soon
1
1%
HAM will become ambassador for Greenpeace
12
15%
HAM will ride in MotoGP
3
4%
 
Total votes: 82

Maritimer
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Re: Lost motivation: HAM.

Post by Maritimer » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:27 pm

By his own words he wants to keep racing for a few years so I wouldn't be expecting anything too out of the blue

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Re: Lost motivation: HAM.

Post by Jolle » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:33 pm

As far as I have witnessed over the years, HAM has three settings:
- when he, the car and the tires are in tune: happy bunny, sociable, funny and unbeatable.
- when he or the team f's up: grumpy, grrrr and vocal
- when he and the car are not in tune: quiet.

At this moment it looks like the last one, he can't find the sweetspot of the car every race. Could be the car, could be the tires and it could be him. In the past ten years it has been rarely him (for anymore then a few races)

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Re: Lost motivation: HAM.

Post by Brenton » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:36 pm

Maritimer wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:27 pm
By his own words he wants to keep racing for a few years so I wouldn't be expecting anything too out of the blue
Not reading much into that but I'd expect a driver in that situation to say many years, not a few. A few could quickly change to wanting just one last year right now imo

I'm surprised to read this thread, considering Hamilton is still favorite for the wdc this year, but at the same time he seemed really demoralized after a recent qualy session... I forget which race it was for a few races ago but he seemed surprised and really concerned that the session showed to him that his car doesn't have what it needs to be champion. I don't know tho

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Re: Lost motivation: HAM.

Post by Phil » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:40 pm

I think some of the problem is with todays racing. He cant always show his aggressive driving. Do that, and you ruin the tires or go over fuel limits. Some races you can do this better than others. At canada, it didnt look like it, more like he was nursing an issue with the car.

I personally dont think it has any thing to do with motivation.
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Re: Lost motivation: HAM.

Post by wesley123 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:07 pm

Brenton wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:36 pm
considering Hamilton is still favorite for the wdc this year
While I certainly don't disagree, the position he is in now is largely because of the failures, misfortunes of other drivers.
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Re: Lost motivation: HAM.

Post by Just_a_fan » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:50 pm

Brenton wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:36 pm


I'm surprised to read this thread, considering Hamilton is still favorite for the wdc this year,
Really? He's going to need something to start going well for him for that to be the case. The Ferrari is the better car and Vettel is definitely more than capable of making full use of it.
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Re: Lost motivation: HAM.

Post by Ennis » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:04 am

Jolle wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:33 pm
As far as I have witnessed over the years, HAM has three settings:
- when he, the car and the tires are in tune: happy bunny, sociable, funny and unbeatable.
- when he or the team f's up: grumpy, grrrr and vocal
- when he and the car are not in tune: quiet.

At this moment it looks like the last one, he can't find the sweetspot of the car every race. Could be the car, could be the tires and it could be him. In the past ten years it has been rarely him (for anymore then a few races)
I agree entirely. Mentioned before, he seems to handle a lack of inherent pace ok as long as he feels at one with the car. He simply doesn't seem at one with this year's car, and its showing in both his relative performance and his general vibe.

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Re: Lost motivation: HAM.

Post by marmer » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:41 am

His recent behaviour with is similar to how he struggled with the bad McLarens he had on occasion. Button who is famed for only getting good results out of perfect car setup didn't have the same negative attitude and generally got more out of the car.

I am fairly confident if he had been at McLaren instead of Alonso he would have quit the sport

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Re: Lost motivation: HAM.

Post by Webber2011 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:07 pm

I don't think he's lost his motivation at all, I reckon he's bored shitless like the rest of us.

We carry on about fuel saving, tyre saving, pu and all it involves saving, gearbox saving, overtaking etc etc etc
The list goes on

Imagine what it's like for the drivers ?
They must get sick and tired of all that after a while ?

I'm sure if Lewis got to really flog any car round a race track his motivation would still be there

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Re: Lost motivation: HAM.

Post by astracrazy » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:27 pm

I don't think he has lost motivation to win or to race, but bored with F1? Yeah I think so. The lack of possibility to over take is one thing but I also don't think he likes the direction of the sport. A lot of comments and interviews he has given over the past 12-18 months has been criticising the sport now and the future.

Its easy to say its easy to moan when he isn't in the most dominant car, but he has always said he wants to fight to win. The trouble is, F1 doesn't let you do that at the moment.

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Re: Lost motivation: HAM.

Post by PlatinumZealot » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:51 pm

astracrazy wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:27 pm
I don't think he has lost motivation to win or to race, but bored with F1? Yeah I think so. The lack of possibility to over take is one thing but I also don't think he likes the direction of the sport. A lot of comments and interviews he has given over the past 12-18 months has been criticising the sport now and the future.

Its easy to say its easy to moan when he isn't in the most dominant car, but he has always said he wants to fight to win. The trouble is, F1 doesn't let you do that at the moment.
Agree 1000%!!

As for Canada performance i think the engine was what cost Lewis the Pole. He's always quiet like this when the car is poor. He never blames car.

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Re: Lost motivation: HAM.

Post by Gaz. » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:21 pm

marmer wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:41 am

I am fairly confident if he had been at McLaren instead of Alonso he would have quit the sport
But he wouldn't have painted himself into a corner like Alonso has, so he'd have had options to leave and drive for another F1 team.
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Re: Lost motivation: HAM.

Post by Andres125sx » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:26 am

Gaz. wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:21 pm
marmer wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:41 am

I am fairly confident if he had been at McLaren instead of Alonso he would have quit the sport
But he wouldn't have painted himself into a corner like Alonso has, so he'd have had options to leave and drive for another F1 team.
What a load of BS. Repeating that ad nauseaum will never make it real. The other top F1 teams don´t want him because they have other top drivers, that´s all. I´d bet before 2013 you were stating similar things about Alonso and McLaren, but he´s driving for them again, and they even are trying everything to keep him happy, supporting his career outside F1 at Indianapolis and now LeMans

Be sincere please, what did you think about Alonso and McLaren joining again before 2013?

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Re: Lost motivation: HAM.

Post by Gaz. » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:43 am

Andres125sx wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:26 am
Gaz. wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:21 pm
marmer wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:41 am

I am fairly confident if he had been at McLaren instead of Alonso he would have quit the sport
But he wouldn't have painted himself into a corner like Alonso has, so he'd have had options to leave and drive for another F1 team.
What a load of BS. Repeating that ad nauseaum will never make it real. The other top F1 teams don´t want him because they have other top drivers, that´s all. I´d bet before 2013 you were stating similar things about Alonso and McLaren, but he´s driving for them again, and they even are trying everything to keep him happy, supporting his career outside F1 at Indianapolis and now LeMans

Be sincere please, what did you think about Alonso and McLaren joining again before 2013?
I said many times I thought hell would freeze over before Alonso went back to Mclaren. If FA had options, why is he still in that POS Mclaren after four years?

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Re: Lost motivation: HAM.

Post by Andres125sx » Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:20 pm

And you didn´t learn the leasson? :P

He has no options because Ferrari has Vettel, Mercedes Hamilton, and RBR Max and Ricciardo apart from they rarely hire outside drivers, but you´re assuming he painted himself into a corner (I got it at first, but thanks for the link anyway), even when he´s driving for a team you did assume would never hire him again.

He´s very demanding, ok, but only because he always perform and he want his team to perform similar. Nothing a top team would be afraid about if they´re aiming the titles