2018 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Tag Heuer (Renault)

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Re: 2018 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Tag Heuer (Renault)

Post by NL_Fer » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:43 pm

Gustavo. Lirio wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:24 pm
Do you know if it's true that the RBs were able to do T1 with the DRS engaged? If it's really true than I wonder how was the balance without the DRS. Moreover, it's another indication that most of their rear downforce are generated by the under floor. That would also explain the drivers comments about being slower than Ferrari even with the DRS engaged. A smaller wing will have a smaller DRS effect.

Initialy they were, but they wanted to lessen the gap to Ferrari/Mercedes and reduced the downforce to compensate their topspeed.

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Re: 2018 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Tag Heuer (Renault)

Post by Ground Effect » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:43 pm

Christian says Red Bull would have still won the races they have this year with Honda

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red- ... 61355/?s=1
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Re: 2018 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Tag Heuer (Renault)

Post by djos » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:11 pm

Ground Effect wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:43 pm
Christian says Red Bull would have still won the races they have this year with Honda

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red- ... 61355/?s=1
Based on the performance of the Honda so far this year, that actually seems like a reasonable claim.
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Re: 2018 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Tag Heuer (Renault)

Post by makecry » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:29 am

djos wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:11 pm
Ground Effect wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:43 pm
Christian says Red Bull would have still won the races they have this year with Honda

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red- ... 61355/?s=1
Based on the performance of the Honda so far this year, that actually seems like a reasonable claim.
Can't figure out if sarcastic or being serious. =D> #-o :lol:

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Re: 2018 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Tag Heuer (Renault)

Post by LM10 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:48 am

makecry wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:29 am
djos wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:11 pm
Ground Effect wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:43 pm
Christian says Red Bull would have still won the races they have this year with Honda

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red- ... 61355/?s=1
Based on the performance of the Honda so far this year, that actually seems like a reasonable claim.
Can't figure out if sarcastic or being serious. =D> #-o :lol:
Why? Doesn’t sound unbelievable to me.

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Re: 2018 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Tag Heuer (Renault)

Post by djos » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:08 am

Exactly, TR haven't been slow in a straight line this year and driveability has appeared to be decent also.
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Re: 2018 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Tag Heuer (Renault)

Post by r101 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:13 am

If we consider that 1% is ~10 bhp, Honda are missing around 20 from Renault and McLaren, because Red Bull still has to unlock more power from Renault with fuel update. So 3-4 tenths there?

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Re: 2018 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Tag Heuer (Renault)

Post by djos » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:36 am

r101 wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:13 am
If we consider that 1% is ~10 bhp, Honda are missing around 20 from Renault and McLaren, because Red Bull still has to unlock more power from Renault with fuel update. So 3-4 tenths there?
Honda were getting smashed last year, if they can keep the meaningful updates coming, then they have a good chance of leaving Renault behind and catching Mercedes and Ferrari.
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Re: 2018 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Tag Heuer (Renault)

Post by ME4ME » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:29 am

So .. with the midpoint of the season now passed, Im of the opinion that Red Bull should now put all their resources into the 2019 project. Red Bull can pick up some more wins with the current car, most likely in Hungary and Singapore and be reasonable satisfied with the season; 5 wins would be decent and sponsors would be happy enough.

It's going to require an enormous effort from both Red Bull and Honda if they seriously want race for the title next year. Personally I don't see it happening, but if they aim to do so than they'd better start immediately. They're not going to have the most power, or the best reliability .. so Red Bull Honda needs to get everything else pretty much spot on.

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Re: 2018 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Tag Heuer (Renault)

Post by Webber2011 » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:17 pm

ME4ME wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:29 am
So .. with the midpoint of the season now passed, Im of the opinion that Red Bull should now put all their resources into the 2019 project. Red Bull can pick up some more wins with the current car, most likely in Hungary and Singapore and be reasonable satisfied with the season; 5 wins would be decent and sponsors would be happy enough.

It's going to require an enormous effort from both Red Bull and Honda if they seriously want race for the title next year. Personally I don't see it happening, but if they aim to do so than they'd better start immediately. They're not going to have the most power, or the best reliability .. so Red Bull Honda needs to get everything else pretty much spot on.
I'm tipping they started this one second after the Torro Rosso deal was signed 😉

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Re: 2018 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Tag Heuer (Renault)

Post by FPV GTHO » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:22 pm

Have next years regs been set in stone yet though?

I tend to agree though. Ferrari and Mercedes are going to have an incredibly tough choice to make of when to divert resources. For Red Bull its fairly straightforward

Im not so confident of a strong result in Hu gary though. Alot of people thought they could win last year, but the resurfacing changed that.

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Re: 2018 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Tag Heuer (Renault)

Post by Big Tea » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:58 pm

It seems that apart from the wing differences the ethos is the same, so it would be evolution rather than revolution. Most of what they develop this year will be usable next year, abet with some modification. The Honda (allegedly) being smaller should not be that big a difference as it would mean reductions rather than 'lumps'.
Having said that, there is always unforeseen strife, even after they nave studied it in the STR.
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Re: 2018 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Tag Heuer (Renault)

Post by r101 » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:12 pm

Guys, can someone from Holland translate this: https://m.gpupdate.net/nl/f1-nieuws/366 ... nderdelen/

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Re: 2018 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Tag Heuer (Renault)

Post by Dipesh1995 » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:54 pm

r101 wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:12 pm
Guys, can someone from Holland translate this: https://m.gpupdate.net/nl/f1-nieuws/366 ... nderdelen/
Red Bull Racing is not pleased with the attitude of Renault during the German Grand Prix. Daniel Ricciardo received a grid penalty and immediately wanted to replace all possible engine parts. Renault delivered only three of the six desired parts.
This happened before the Australian outburst on Sunday, but did produce some crooked faces in the Red Bull camp. Because of the rigid attitude of Renault, the team was unable to 'benefit' optimally from the collected grid penalty. Ricciardo was already behind and could therefore better of all remaining parts - including the V6 combustion engine, turbo and MGU-H - a new assembly. This could have prevented future grid penalties.
However, Renault had already decided not to deliver these parts to Ricciardo at Hockenheim. When Red Bull Racing team boss Christian Horner was asked about the remarkable news before the race, he expressed his frustration. "That is a question for Renault, as the normal strategy would indeed be to replace all possible parts at once."
'Afterwards it's easy to talk'
It seems to be the first expression of dissatisfaction among the French, after it became known that Red Bull Renault will trade for Honda in 2019. Renault frontman Cyril Abiteboul does not want to know anything about this. "We first have to find out what happened here, and there was no reason at that time to exchange the ICE, for example," he says in conversation with Motorsport.com. "It is comparable to talking after a race, it is also easy to talk and you can reinvent the wheel on for example the strategy in rain or dry weather."
Abiteboul also wishes to emphasize that the incident had nothing to do with the availability of the parts. "There is nothing wrong with the availability of parts, first of all we are just in between two versions of the power source and then it is better to wait for Spec C [the new version]", he explains that Renault would prefer to needs to deliver updated version. "Secondly, in terms of mileage, this power source also had sufficient life span to be able to save it to Spec C."
Abiteboul does not dare to say when the updated power source is ready for use, but expects that it will certainly not be earlier than the race at Spa. He also acknowledges that the communication towards Red Bull Racing with the knowledge of now could have been different. "With the information we now have, our answer seems completely inappropriate, but it is good, with a crystal ball you can invent the wheel as clairvoyant and do all kinds of things differently", he still thinks the current criticism is easy.

Source: Google Translate

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Re: 2018 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Tag Heuer (Renault)

Post by Just_a_fan » Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:09 am

Looks like Renault finally decided they'd had enough of RBR's bitching. Go Renault!
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