Only Somalia?turbof1 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:59 amLook, irrespective for a moment if it is "global warming" or "climate change". One might look up what is happening in Somalia due the extreme heat combined with abnormal low rainfall even for that region.
Regardless if that is a "natural occurence" or not, we as mankind have to try to avoid what is happening in Somalia, and for sure as hell we have to avoid that same happening elsewhere.
Of course not, just taking an extreme case out of the pool of the extreme cases. Keeping things simple so that others aren't able to deny things away.Only Somalia?
Scientists who are investigating permafrost for decades are talking heads with no real credentials?strad wrote: ↑Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:58 pmAndres you are totally illogical.
The only commitment I have to looking at both sides and not being swayed by talking heads with no real credentials .
And if people are so small as to vote others down for independent thinking and not jumping on the bandwagon they prefer,, so be it.
.. I still think we should be limiting the long term damage we do to the environment
.I do follow the 99% of scientist who say climate change is real and it's largely man made and the time is now to change that.
Yes, that's why I am firmly against blotting out the sun. We need the sun for power (because like it or not, we are running significant power from it already), we need the sun for oxygen (photosynthesis), we need the sun for probably a really wide range of reasons I cannot come up with myself. Basically you are going to replace one problem with a whole range of new ones.Come on everyone, this is supposed to be a technical forum.
I never said that Greg, I said shading the plants is now necessary so they´re not burnt, nothing about using more or less water. For example tomatoes become yellow at the most isolated parts and get harder, dry to be more precise
So now first hand experience is bleating, and scientists are not a reliable source... What would you accept as a reliable evidence then?Greg Locock wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:06 amAs to whether farmers in the fields of Spain are shading their plants so they use less water, or whether insolation has increased over Spain, I see Andres has failed to substantiate his position. Weird when there is so much data around. Weird not to use data instead of bleating on about anecdotes.