2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by Morteza » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:11 am

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by Wouter » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:00 am

Yesterday STR used the spec 2.0. Today they will use the spec 3.1. Hopefully it will be a lot better.
They must then be able to get Q3.
But what if it rains ?? I read that Gasly likes to drive in the rain, but is he good at that?

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by HPD » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:46 am

Wouter wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:00 am
Yesterday STR used the spec 2.0. Today they will use the spec 3.1. Hopefully it will be a lot better.
They must then be able to get Q3.
But what if it rains ?? I read that Gasly likes to drive in the rain, but is he good at that?
Where did you read that they used the 2.0?
In FP1, the speeds of the TR in the 3 sectors were the worst

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by search » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:01 pm

HPD wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:46 am
Wouter wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:00 am
Yesterday STR used the spec 2.0. Today they will use the spec 3.1. Hopefully it will be a lot better.
They must then be able to get Q3.
But what if it rains ?? I read that Gasly likes to drive in the rain, but is he good at that?
Where did you read that they used the 2.0?
In FP1, the speeds of the TR in the 3 sectors were the worst
Franz Tost said so during the FP live coverage on German TV. The performance was pretty poor yesterday though, especially during the longruns, so they need quite a big step, not only from the engine side.

Usually the team has quite a good pedigree in the rain, but no idea how the drivers would cope. Or what the drivability of the new engine is like

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by Wouter » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:06 pm

HPD wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:46 am
Wouter wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:00 am
Yesterday STR used the spec 2.0. Today they will use the spec 3.1. Hopefully it will be a lot better.
They must then be able to get Q3.
But what if it rains ?? I read that Gasly likes to drive in the rain, but is he good at that?
Where did you read that they used the 2.0?
In FP1, the speeds of the TR in the 3 sectors were the worst
Hartley said it in an interview yesterday and Franz Tost in an interview on N-TV in front of the camera.

Aber es gibt auch noch einige Mutmacher für Toro Rosso: Zum einen geht das Team zum ersten Mal seit langer Zeit wieder straffrei in ein Qualifying, was man gut ausnutzen möchte, zum anderen war heute noch der alte Spec-2-Motor von Honda verbaut. Morgen soll dann die neueste Ausbaustufe zünden. "Wir wissen also, dass morgen noch ein Schritt kommen wird", meint Hartley und nennt die Zugewinne "groß genug".
Translated: But there is also some encouragement for Toro Rosso: Firstly, the team goes for the first time in a long time again without penalty in a qualifying, which you want to take good advantage of, on the other hand was still the old Spec-2 engine from Honda installed. Tomorrow should then be the latest expansion [of the engine] used. "So we know there will be another step tomorrow," says Hartley, calling the gains "big enough".

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by HPD » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:10 pm

ok thanks guys

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by Wouter » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:30 pm

search wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:01 pm
HPD wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:46 am
Wouter wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:00 am
Yesterday STR used the spec 2.0. Today they will use the spec 3.1. Hopefully it will be a lot better.
They must then be able to get Q3.
But what if it rains ?? I read that Gasly likes to drive in the rain, but is he good at that?
Where did you read that they used the 2.0?
In FP1, the speeds of the TR in the 3 sectors were the worst
Franz Tost said so during the FP live coverage on German TV. The performance was pretty poor yesterday though, especially during the longruns, so they need quite a big step, not only from the engine side.

Usually the team has quite a good pedigree in the rain, but no idea how the drivers would cope. Or what the drivability of the new engine is like
Excuse me @ Search. I didn't saw your answer, because I was posting the same in the mean time. :oops:

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by kptaylor » Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:49 pm

Interesting choice of switching to Spec 3.1 in FP3. I'd question if FP3 was enough time to redo all set up since the PU is so different in delivery. Looking at GAS in FP3 I guess it went okay!

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by Wouter » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:03 pm

Another great performance of Gasly, 0.6 sec faster than Hartley!

And faster than everybody exept the Haas drivers! =D> =D> =D>

7. K. Magnussen Haas 01:09.146
8. R. Grosjean Haas 01:09.257
9. P. Gasly Toro Rosso 01:09.402
10. C. Leclerc Sauber 01:09.448
11. N. Hulkenberg Renault 01:09.461
12. E. Ocon Force India 01:09.588
13. M. Ericsson Sauber 01:09.808
14. C. Sainz Jr. Renault 01:09.864
15. S. Sirotkin Williams 01:09.885
16. B. Hartley Toro Rosso 01:09.985
17. L. Stroll Williams 01:10.001
18. F. Alonso McLaren 01:10.020
19. S. Pérez Force India 01:10.116
20. S. Vandoorne McLaren 01:10.289

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by bigblue » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:01 pm

Gasly's quali times, 1:09.046, 1:08.616, 1:09.029. Bit weird Q3 was noticeably slower, conditions, a mistake, something else ?

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by search » Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:04 pm

bigblue wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:01 pm
Gasly's quali times, 1:09.046, 1:08.616, 1:09.029. Bit weird Q3 was noticeably slower, conditions, a mistake, something else ?
I haven't seen his laps, but as he set his fastest time on the first run in Q3 (with used tires), he probably just made a mistake in the 2nd one (which was three tenths slower, with new tires)

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by McMika98 » Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:29 pm

Acc to Ted the LH cheerleader, Gasly reverted back to old aero spec and only Hartley had the new aero spec. Damm, Hartley might as well pack up and let Kyvat drive his car in Abu Dhabi.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by etusch » Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:35 pm

McMika98 wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:29 pm
Acc to Ted the LH cheerleader, Gasly reverted back to old aero spec and only Hartley had the new aero spec. Damm, Hartley might as well pack up and let Kyvat drive his car in Abu Dhabi.
I think Hartley lost his seat already or maybe keep going as a surprise. But your comment assume it it is for sure new aero package working well. But according to Hartley's comment it just changes cars behaviour let Hartley to be more comfortable and not good for Gasly style. If it would be faster as a package I think Gasly also would use it

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by ispano6 » Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:56 pm

kptaylor wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:49 pm
Interesting choice of switching to Spec 3.1 in FP3. I'd question if FP3 was enough time to redo all set up since the PU is so different in delivery. Looking at GAS in FP3 I guess it went okay!
They're actually used to this Friday PU+gearbox. Wouldn't want a practice shunt to ruin a race engine.
Though I read on motorsport that the suspected damage of the spec3.0 engine turned out to be OK afterall despite the concerns.

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Re: 2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

Post by McMika98 » Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:58 pm

Horrible race for Gasly, losing seconds to Haas and Saubers every lap from beginning. They concentrated on race pace and still could not get the setup. Suppose he will say he had damage on floor.