Scuderia Toro Rosso STR14

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Re: Scuderia Toro Rosso STR14

Post by Morteza » Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:51 pm

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Re: Scuderia Toro Rosso STR14

Post by Pyrone89 » Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:49 pm

Earlier in the year we heard about TR going the route of only doing listed parts and getting all other parts from RBR through Red Bull Technologies (and their suppliers). However at the time they started with the RB14 parts. Would be nice to know if TR has finally switched to always using latest specification parts of RB15 from RBR or if they are still using old designs.

If so why would they intentionally use outdated specs? If both the RB15 and STR14 use the newest RB15 specs it gives useful up-to-date data from 4 cars on all parts and thus makes live easier for suspension, gearbox, cooling and engine designers and engineers (double the data for design and set-up). Next to the cost saving and being able to task more staff to the listed parts. Not to mention increased competitiveness for TR if they use the more sophisticated RB15 latest spec parts and the millions in prize money involved with finishing higher in the WCC due to this.

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Re: Scuderia Toro Rosso STR14

Post by McMika98 » Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:42 pm

No TR is still using last year's parts from RedBull which is really bad especially the gearbox. TR made their own gearbox last year and now have to compromise with a box made for Renault engine. No wonder they cant optimise the setup. I dont get why they wont be given the new components the official line is its too much of a change for optimal setup.

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Re: Scuderia Toro Rosso STR14

Post by godlameroso » Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:25 am

So they get the new components this year. Think of it this way, we are seeing that last year's Red Bull would only be fighting for points finishes at best. That is the rate of development.
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Re: Scuderia Toro Rosso STR14

Post by McMika98 » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:26 am

godlameroso wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:25 am
So they get the new components this year. Think of it this way, we are seeing that last year's Red Bull would only be fighting for points finishes at best. That is the rate of development.
No new components from RedBull this season. Next year maybe will be same component. Key was a big loss, he wouls dave built a car that would do well this year especially with most teams struggling with tyres. Funny how only Merc and Mclaren have no tyre issues, the latter does not even use high downforce front end anymore.

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Re: Scuderia Toro Rosso STR14

Post by Wouter » Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:30 am

by McMika98 » 09 Aug 2019, 23:42
TR is still using last year's parts from RedBull which is really bad especially the gearbox. TR made their own gearbox last year and now have to compromise with a box made for Renault engine.
McMika98 wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:26 am
No new components from RedBull this season. Next year maybe will be same component.
Do you have a source for this information, which is imo not correct at all?
Especially the Renault gearbox!

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Re: Scuderia Toro Rosso STR14

Post by GhostF1 » Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:52 am

Wouter wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:30 am
by McMika98 » 09 Aug 2019, 23:42
TR is still using last year's parts from RedBull which is really bad especially the gearbox. TR made their own gearbox last year and now have to compromise with a box made for Renault engine.
McMika98 wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:26 am
No new components from RedBull this season. Next year maybe will be same component.
Do you have a source for this information, which is imo not correct at all?
Especially the Renault gearbox!
To be honest, McMika98 is probably a post or two away from being banned anyway. Most of it is just unsubstantiated, aggravational nonsense with zero benefit to the forum, his soul aim seems to be embarrassing himself while goading other members.

As for the "Renault gearbox" comment. It has never been said that's what it is, it's been assumed from a comment from Franz Tost made saying they are using the gearbox from the RB14. This means Renault folk or just people who have a vendetta against Honda and associated teams (which I just don't understand), leap to the conclusion it is identical to the box for the Renault and use it as a negative spin. Now, there is potential an element of that statement is true, but it's never been explicitly said that's what is going on and "gearbox" does not translate to "the entire rear end structure without modification at all".

Regardless, obviously it's not affecting them horrendously as they aren't doing too badly it seems, STR are having a significantly improved first half of season even with a few unfortunate offs where they could of done better.

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Re: Scuderia Toro Rosso STR14

Post by McMika98 » Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:23 am

Wouter wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:30 am
by McMika98 » 09 Aug 2019, 23:42
TR is still using last year's parts from RedBull which is really bad especially the gearbox. TR made their own gearbox last year and now have to compromise with a box made for Renault engine.
McMika98 wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:26 am
No new components from RedBull this season. Next year maybe will be same component.
Do you have a source for this information, which is imo not correct at all?
Especially the Renault gearbox!
Read the numerous interviews of Franz and Jody. Its odd because they ditched the Merc front suspension concept which is proving to be a solid arsenal this year for a Redbull concept. The rear suspension is the same as last year RedBull with same gearbox and mounting points. Im suprised Franz has not asked for an upgrade because the early excuse was due to production times.
Last year restrospectively ToroRosso undelivered thanks to weak driver line up. The competition was Haas and Renault. Now they have a Mclaren and Alfa to contend with yet still manage to get more points. The results could be a lot better if they get the full parts allowed. They are struggling with the tyres this year compared to competition.

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Re: Scuderia Toro Rosso STR14

Post by ScrewCaptain27 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:38 pm

GhostF1 wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:52 am
Wouter wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:30 am
by McMika98 » 09 Aug 2019, 23:42
TR is still using last year's parts from RedBull which is really bad especially the gearbox. TR made their own gearbox last year and now have to compromise with a box made for Renault engine.
McMika98 wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:26 am
No new components from RedBull this season. Next year maybe will be same component.
Do you have a source for this information, which is imo not correct at all?
Especially the Renault gearbox!
To be honest, McMika98 is probably a post or two away from being banned anyway. Most of it is just unsubstantiated, aggravational nonsense with zero benefit to the forum, his soul aim seems to be embarrassing himself while goading other members.

As for the "Renault gearbox" comment. It has never been said that's what it is, it's been assumed from a comment from Franz Tost made saying they are using the gearbox from the RB14. This means Renault folk or just people who have a vendetta against Honda and associated teams (which I just don't understand), leap to the conclusion it is identical to the box for the Renault and use it as a negative spin. Now, there is potential an element of that statement is true, but it's never been explicitly said that's what is going on and "gearbox" does not translate to "the entire rear end structure without modification at all".

Regardless, obviously it's not affecting them horrendously as they aren't doing too badly it seems, STR are having a significantly improved first half of season even with a few unfortunate offs where they could of done better.
By “gearbox” he probably means just the internals. Not the outside carbon casing which I’m pretty sure is bespoke for this car.
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Re: Scuderia Toro Rosso STR14

Post by McMika98 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:12 pm

ScrewCaptain27 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:38 pm

By “gearbox” he probably means just the internals. Not the outside carbon casing which I’m pretty sure is bespokcompariso.g car.
No the gearbox is the housing/ outer casing. The internal gears have been RedBull design and manufacture since day1 as in last year. This is how they got to compare both engine performances last year. Hence my point about gearbox for Renault engine because ToroRosso build their own box last year but this year they are using last years RedBull gearbox with the same rear suspension. Maybe because Redbull were good on tyres with this setup they wanted a comparison. Its not ideal for Toro Rosso but now Albon is in the main car I could care less.

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Re: Scuderia Toro Rosso STR14

Post by Raleigh » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:23 pm

You have to understand where the STR14 is coming from, which is a halfway house between the independent car Toro Rosso had been planning to build and the decision to use Red Bull components which was taken after Key departed for McLaren.

Toro Rosso didn't have time to push through a largely redesigned car to take full advantage of the RB14 mechanicals, so the STR14 is a compromise, they have the RB14 suspension and gearbox (including case) but the wheelbase is longer because of the differences in Honda and Renault engine layout. On top of that the car isn't designed around the RB14 aero philosophy.

Now as to why Toro Rosso isn't using RB15 components, that's down to Newey leaving design finalisation to the last possible moment where Red Bull can manufacture a chassis in time for testing. Toro Rosso don't have the same resources, they wouldn't be able to make testing in that timescale.

And once you've got the established chassis, Toro Rosso again doesn't have the resources to produce a new tub midseason just to run the RB15 front suspension, or to drastically change wheelbase to incorporate the RB15 rear suspension/gearbox.

Marko has stated for next year the cooperation will be closer, we don't know at this point if that means the STR15 will be based on the RB15 (suspension/gearbox/wheelbase/aero concept) or whether Newey will be persuaded to finalise key points of the RB16 in time for Toro Rosso to share the full 2020 Red Bull suspension and gearbox. In either case the change would represent a significant step up from the compromise that is the STR14.

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Re: Scuderia Toro Rosso STR14

Post by lio007 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:32 pm

There have been some rumours last year that RBR might switch from Renault to Honda during 2018 season. And that a fully adapted chassis is running on RB's VTT-dyno. But in the end it never happened ( might have been influenced by RIC's unexpcted move to Renault).

Anyway, let's assume there has been everything ready for a mid-season PU-switch, I somehow believe STR is running exactly that chassis in 2019 which RB were ready to use last year. Given the similarities to the RB14.
And STR could really focus on the new FW rules for this years car.
...just some thoughts.

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Re: Scuderia Toro Rosso STR14

Post by ScrewCaptain27 » Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:58 pm

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Re: Scuderia Toro Rosso STR14

Post by McMika98 » Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:03 pm

Finally a boomerang. Cant beleive it took half a season to get this piece of carbom fibre. Shows the deficiency in the team and factory.

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Re: Scuderia Toro Rosso STR14

Post by Capharol » Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:22 pm

because it is so easy to put on a new aero part on a existing aeropackage .....
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