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Yea its over, now that ferrari has both good grip and the best engine.

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Jaisonas wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 16:08
Yea its over, now that ferrari has both good grip and the best engine.
No, it's not over. The race pace isn't there. We saw that Leclerc was very close to qualifying on pole in Silverstone, but they were nowhere in the race compared to Verstappen or Hamilton. The race will be decided by who can make the tires last the best while maintaining pace.
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HondaPOD wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 13:47
McMika98 wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 13:06
Honda engines at it again. Fp3 only but its piss poor. Sector 1 with the long straights shows where it lies in terms of competition. 4 tenths off Ferrari and slower than Renault. Damn. Max had traffic but he was on backfoot after sector 1.
it's Honda party today ?? they made 27.0 in the first sector yesterday and Merc only 27.2 no one pointed the engine !!!
the times set today are worse and yesterday, and by a margin probably due to night change settings, Let's wait 1h the qualy.
Did u see the party mode? Verstappen in S1 was same as Renault. Damm Ferrari have found something with their new floor. Expect them to dominate the rest of the seas on. Redbull now close to Mclaren then Ferrari.

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godlameroso wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 16:09
Jaisonas wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 16:08
Yea its over, now that ferrari has both good grip and the best engine.
No, it's not over. The race pace isn't there. We saw that Leclerc was very close to qualifying on pole in Silverstone, but they were nowhere in the race compared to Verstappen or Hamilton.
But Singapore is not Silverstone. Overtaking is hard, and giving that Ferrari seems to do well now on the corners too. How you can overtake a car that have a big advantage on straight?

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0.6 slower .. Any explains for what happend at a circuit that we should compete for Pole ?
Unbelievable that Ferrari updates got 0.6 and beated Mercs too.
If they did that in Singapore , what would it be in Sochi ?
We should think seriously about 2020.

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godlameroso wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 16:09
Jaisonas wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 16:08
Yea its over, now that ferrari has both good grip and the best engine.
No, it's not over. The race pace isn't there. We saw that Leclerc was very close to qualifying on pole in Silverstone, but they were nowhere in the race compared to Verstappen or Hamilton. The race will be decided by who can make the tires last the best while maintaining pace.
Max himself said that Qualy is 95% of the race.
In singapore you can't control circumstances like SC or stratigies (_and by the way.. Forgetting what happend now and depending only on race circumstances is only for losers , not a team trying to win wdc or wcc in the future) but you can control what is happening on Saturday.

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Marti_EF3 wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 16:11
godlameroso wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 16:09
Jaisonas wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 16:08
Yea its over, now that ferrari has both good grip and the best engine.
No, it's not over. The race pace isn't there. We saw that Leclerc was very close to qualifying on pole in Silverstone, but they were nowhere in the race compared to Verstappen or Hamilton.
But Singapore is not Silverstone. Overtaking is hard, and giving that Ferrari seems to do well now on the corners too. How you can overtake a car that have a big advantage on straight?
They have to pit and don't think that they can out front of ham and vers

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Ferrari found alot of time with their upgrades. They still faster in straights and just as quick, if not quicker on corners. On they positive RBR split the Mercs, so they haven't really lost anything. Just cannot catch a break between Mercs and Ferrari.

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Marti_EF3 wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 16:11
godlameroso wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 16:09
Jaisonas wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 16:08
Yea its over, now that ferrari has both good grip and the best engine.
No, it's not over. The race pace isn't there. We saw that Leclerc was very close to qualifying on pole in Silverstone, but they were nowhere in the race compared to Verstappen or Hamilton.
But Singapore is not Silverstone. Overtaking is hard, and giving that Ferrari seems to do well now on the corners too. How you can overtake a car that have a big advantage on straight?
Overtaking while racing is hard, safety cars are guaranteed and will change things. It could be a boring race, but the pace is there, I feel that Ferrari can be overtaken due to the race pace disparity. Leclerc will be defending from Hamilton, or Verstappen. The start will be crucial, staying out of trouble will be priority 1, clearing Vettel will be priority 2.

It is a short run to turn 1 and Max will have the outside, so the focus should be coming out of turn 5 as he'll have the inside. Vettel's speed means he could also have the inside coming off the DRS straight.

If he manages to clear Vettel, then he will start pulling away with the lead pack, because Hamilton will be held up by Leclerc(Vettel is not as fast as the top 3 IMO) as tire wear starts to set in, probably by lap 12. Virtual or actual safety car can change the whole course of the race, so they need to be reacted to quickly, although luck plays a part as you can be further or closer to the pit lane at the time of the incident. It's easier to react if such an incident happens in sector 2 than when you're in sector 3. There's definitely a podium to play for tomorrow, or even the win is possible, let me remind you that the race is 61 laps, the softs can't last more than 14-17 laps so a 2 stopper is probably a given.

I think an aggressive SMH strategy could work out. The pace disparity between worn and fresh rubber will be in the order of seconds per lap.
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etusch wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 16:19
Marti_EF3 wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 16:11
godlameroso wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 16:09


No, it's not over. The race pace isn't there. We saw that Leclerc was very close to qualifying on pole in Silverstone, but they were nowhere in the race compared to Verstappen or Hamilton.
But Singapore is not Silverstone. Overtaking is hard, and giving that Ferrari seems to do well now on the corners too. How you can overtake a car that have a big advantage on straight?
They have to pit and don't think that they can out front of ham and vers
First he have to clear Vettel. If he can`t overtake him on the start (giving the poor starts, doubt it), he will fall behind because I doubt Vettel can handle the pace of Hamilton and Leclerc. It's hard to be optimistic right now, Ferrari have owned everyone today. Let's see what the new fuel will bring, but I think that on the chasis side they are more focused on 2020 right now... A shame for the rest of the season will be less exciting, but good if at 2020 they are fighting from the start

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godlameroso wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 16:23
Marti_EF3 wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 16:11
godlameroso wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 16:09


No, it's not over. The race pace isn't there. We saw that Leclerc was very close to qualifying on pole in Silverstone, but they were nowhere in the race compared to Verstappen or Hamilton.
But Singapore is not Silverstone. Overtaking is hard, and giving that Ferrari seems to do well now on the corners too. How you can overtake a car that have a big advantage on straight?
Overtaking while racing is hard, safety cars are guaranteed and will change things. It could be a boring race, but the pace is there, I feel that Ferrari can be overtaken due to the race pace disparity. Leclerc will be defending from Hamilton, or Verstappen. The start will be crucial, staying out of trouble will be priority 1, clearing Vettel will be priority 2.

It is a short run to turn 1 and Max will have the outside, so the focus should be coming out of turn 5 as he'll have the inside. Vettel's speed means he could also have the inside coming off the DRS straight.

If he manages to clear Vettel, then he will start pulling away with the lead pack, because Hamilton will be held up by Leclerc(Vettel is not as fast as the top 3 IMO) as tire wear starts to set in, probably by lap 12. Virtual or actual safety car can change the whole course of the race, so they need to be reacted to quickly, although luck plays a part as you can be further or closer to the pit lane at the time of the incident. It's easier to react if such an incident happens in sector 2 than when you're in sector 3. There's definitely a podium to play for tomorrow, or even the win is possible, let me remind you that the race is 61 laps, the softs can't last more than 14-17 laps so a 2 stopper is probably a given.

I think an aggressive SMH strategy could work out. The pace disparity between worn and fresh rubber will be in the order of seconds per lap.
I think yes, things can happen, but the odds are against a positive result. You're basically looking for a hail mary. Ferrari hold all the cards including having both cars ahead of RBR. The could let LeClerc go and tell Vettel to slow the pack.

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Marti_EF3 wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 16:23
It's hard to be optimistic right now, Ferrari have owned everyone today.
Why be pessimistic? :wink:

Ferrari should be congratulated for doing the best job!

Clearly Red Bull - Honda is not good enough in qualifying at Singapore. Perhaps the blame is mainly on Honda side for lack of power...? Or chassis is losing time too? Who knows, anyhow nothing wrong with Ferrari winning by doing the best job. :)

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JordanMugen wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 16:56
Marti_EF3 wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 16:23
It's hard to be optimistic right now, Ferrari have owned everyone today.
Why be pessimistic? :wink:

Ferrari should be congratulated for doing the best job!

Clearly Red Bull - Honda is not good enough in qualifying at Singapore. Perhaps the blame is mainly on Honda side for lack of power...? Or chassis is losing time too? Who knows, anyhow nothing wrong with Ferrari winning by doing the best job. :)
No one said anything wrong with Ferrari. We're talking about how RBR and Honda are doing

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Well i am quite disappointed how things are going after summer break, it looks like the in season development of RB is mediocre, and Verstappen was also less sharp, at least in Belgium. I definitely thought RB would be fighting for pole. Impressive to see that Ferrari.

Unsure what spec4 has brought. We'll see next races i guess.

RB need to step up their game quite a bit, otherwise 2020 is also a lost year.

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Come on guys this was just qualifying and it was not for the first time ferrari were good at one lap.