Red Bull RB15

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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by Morteza » Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:24 am

Detail of Red Bull rear rims. Grooved areas to interact with temperatures.
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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by zibby43 » Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:39 am

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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by Wouter » Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:42 am

New frontwing.

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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by auv » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:08 am

So, they returned to the pre-Austria FW endplates :|

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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by Sevach » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:09 am

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Different DRS activator.

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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by seense » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:54 am

Wouter wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:42 am
New frontwing.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGfIMkJVUAA ... name=large
How do you tell and whats new about it?

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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by Wouter » Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:11 am

seense wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:54 am
Wouter wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:42 am
New frontwing.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGfIMkJVUAA ... name=large
How do you tell and whats new about it?
Pierre Waché, Technical director said it.

Whats new?
Here the frontwing from Sochi and the new one:

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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by Morteza » Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:13 am

Sevach wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:09 am
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGf6S6lUEAA ... name=large

Different DRS activator.
The shape of the wings is also different
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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by dxpetrov » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:15 am

Wouter wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:11 am
seense wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:54 am
Wouter wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:42 am
New frontwing.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGfIMkJVUAA ... name=large
How do you tell and whats new about it?
Pierre Waché, Technical director said it.

Whats new?
Here the frontwing from Sochi and the new one:

https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/R ... 631994.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGfIMkJVUAA ... name=large
It's only new if you had a short memory. That's a pre-Austria, Monaco / France spec front wing. Obviously they have no clue what to do and forced to go back&forth with different elements to try to get lucky with best combination of downforce levels.

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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by Wouter » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:22 am

dxpetrov wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:15 am
Wouter wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:11 am
seense wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:54 am


How do you tell and whats new about it?
Pierre Waché, Technical director said it.

Whats new?
Here the frontwing from Sochi and the new one:

https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/R ... 631994.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGfIMkJVUAA ... name=large
It's only new if you had a short memory. That's a pre-Austria, Monaco / France spec front wing. Obviously they have no clue what to do and forced to go back&forth with different elements to try to get lucky with best combination of downforce levels.
It's only new if you had a short memory.
Tell that to Pierre Waché, the Technical director, he said that. Tell him he has a short memory. :lol:

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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by seense » Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:58 pm

Wouter wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:11 am
Pierre Waché, Technical director said it.
Yes he said they will bring a new front wing to suzuka, but he didn't say the wing on the picture is actually the new FW.
It looks very much like a previous spec FW.

Maybe there are a few minor tweaks and I cant see them, so thats why I asked whats different.

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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by Sieper » Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:20 pm

Max is indeed using a different rearwing to Albon (for now, if this is what they'll drive with). Max has more DF (a deeper RW). The easiest way to tell is look at how high the DRS activator tower is, the 33 car clearly has a higher arm then the 23). Max also has the new S duct exit. It is less wide so it will have somewhat less drag then the previous outlet and perhaps it will also compress the air exiting it more? Might just be an improvement instead of just a (better)compromise?

I do agree the FW on Max's car does indeed look suspiciously like the Monaco wing (closed thumb tip, the straight side plates). They also said (I read somewhere Pierre Waché said) they had some problems with their windtunnel data / real life comparison and their new wing (that was being developed for Suzuka) is thus not deemed an improvement (too much drag on high speeds).

But maybe this is just smoke and whistles and we'll see a new wing in FP1.

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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by Zarathustra » Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:52 pm

godlameroso wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:18 pm
Red Bull needs to switch to the box kite side pod style the way Mercedes and Ferrari have done. The rest of the grid are using that fighter jet where the top and side elements are detached.

Box kites are incredible under yaw, the trick is feeding them enough air in the right place.

Of course easier said than done as going full box kite might not work with other bits on the car, and bargeboards.
Mercedes just went the Red Bull way... so not sure what you’re saying..

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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by godlameroso » Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:57 pm

Zarathustra wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:52 pm
godlameroso wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:18 pm
Red Bull needs to switch to the box kite side pod style the way Mercedes and Ferrari have done. The rest of the grid are using that fighter jet where the top and side elements are detached.

Box kites are incredible under yaw, the trick is feeding them enough air in the right place.

Of course easier said than done as going full box kite might not work with other bits on the car, and bargeboards.
Mercedes just went the Red Bull way... so not sure what you’re saying..
Mercedes is trying to reduce drag. They lose too much on the straights, and it will be painfully obvious around Suzuka which is very drag sensitive.
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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by ME4ME » Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:05 pm

Closed nose returns.