2021 AMG Mercedes F1 Team

[Marty_Y]

Also they should add a audible bong noise when it's activated so the driver knows something has changed, my Mercedes bongs if you haven't released the parking brake fully and start to drive.

[zibby43]

Toto said one thing I wholly agree with, and that is the fact that Merc will lose both titles if they keep running a car that loses seconds at the starts/re-starts of races and after pit stops.

[Shrieker]

I'm actually shocked that it seems to be just a simple button.

Yes it's quite shocking, innit ? How can they make such a dumb design choice is beyond me. At least put a goddamn button guard around it or something... If you accidentally activate it, you can't corner lmao what the hell were they thinking...

[Pyrone89]

Toto said one thing I wholly agree with, and that is the fact that Merc will lose both titles if they keep running a car that loses seconds at the starts/re-starts of races and after pit stops.

Toto is, and always has been, a drama queen. Even when Mercedes was crushing the other cars without breaking a sweat he was saying how hard they had it.

Trust me, these were the 2 street-type circuits of this year (Singapore and Canada cancelled remember) so from now on we will see normal service be resumed, being the W12 the fastest car on normal tracks.
And to put my money where my mouth is I have placed €265 on Hamilton for WDC and another €100 for him to win France, I am that sure of it.

[Gothrek]

I'm actually shocked that it seems to be just a simple button.

Yes it's quite shocking, innit ? How can they make such a dumb design choice is beyond me. At least put a goddamn button guard around it or something... If you accidentally activate it, you can't corner lmao what the hell were they thinking...

Or it was just an honest driver mistake? Hamilton is not infallible guys. It is easy to blame the buttons or the steering wheel. It probably was just a driver error and nothing wrong with the button or steering wheel.

[Marty_Y]

On the token rule, some are saying that the tokens had to be spent in Bahrain. So could Mercedes have submitted what they spent their tokens on and just not put it on the car yet ?

James Allison said "We have spent our tokens, but we won't reveal how we used them just yet. That'll become clear in good time."

But they haven't revealed anything since, nothing is visually obvious on the W12 that explains where the tokens have been used.

Maybe they changed two minor things that cost 1 token each, but I can't understand why they are still being so secretive about it because if everyone else has spent theirs it's not like it could be copied. But I suppose it's a cut throat business and they don't want to give the competition any ideas what or where they're developing.



I still want to know what this is all about, has anyone heard anything more about this?

https://www.planetf1.com/news/surprise- ... cedes-w12/

Wolff, though, has now revealed that the engine innovation is not the end of Mercedes’ surprises

“You haven’t even seen what we’re going to put on the car yet,” Racingnews365 quotes the Austrian as having told Canal+ ahead of the season-opening Bahrain Grand Prix.

“Of course, there is room for innovation and that always made me happy. Every year we try to do something that is a little bit boxy.

“I’m not sure it makes a big difference in terms of the performance of the car. It’s beautiful if it works.”

[Pyrone89]

I'm actually shocked that it seems to be just a simple button.

Yes it's quite shocking, innit ? How can they make such a dumb design choice is beyond me. At least put a goddamn button guard around it or something... If you accidentally activate it, you can't corner lmao what the hell were they thinking...

Or it was just an honest driver mistake? Hamilton is not infallible guys. It is easy to blame the buttons or the steering wheel. It probably was just a driver error and nothing wrong with the button or steering wheel.

[/Thunberg voice mixed with Toto's words] How dare you! Lewis does not make mistakes. Now when you look into this pen you will forget Imola

PS: before anyone takes this to harshly, I am just poking fun at Toto (and his difference in treatment of Bottas and Hamilton issues) a bit.

[NathanOlder]

On the token rule, some are saying that the tokens had to be spent in Bahrain. So could Mercedes have submitted what they spent their tokens on and just not put it on the car yet ?

James Allison said "We have spent our tokens, but we won't reveal how we used them just yet. That'll become clear in good time."

But they haven't revealed anything since, nothing is visually obvious on the W12 that explains where the tokens have been used.

Maybe they changed two minor things that cost 1 token each, but I can't understand why they are still being so secretive about it because if everyone else has spent theirs it's not like it could be copied. But I suppose it's a cut throat business and they don't want to give the competition any ideas what or where they're developing.



I still want to know what this is all about, has anyone heard anything more about this?

https://www.planetf1.com/news/surprise- ... cedes-w12/

Wolff, though, has now revealed that the engine innovation is not the end of Mercedes’ surprises

“You haven’t even seen what we’re going to put on the car yet,” Racingnews365 quotes the Austrian as having told Canal+ ahead of the season-opening Bahrain Grand Prix.

“Of course, there is room for innovation and that always made me happy. Every year we try to do something that is a little bit boxy.

“I’m not sure it makes a big difference in terms of the performance of the car. It’s beautiful if it works.”

This last bit is what makes me think they spent their tokens on something unique but just haven't put it on the car yet as they are still trying to perfect it maybe?

[El Scorchio]

I'm actually shocked that it seems to be just a simple button.

Yes it's quite shocking, innit ? How can they make such a dumb design choice is beyond me. At least put a goddamn button guard around it or something... If you accidentally activate it, you can't corner lmao what the hell were they thinking...

Or it was just an honest driver mistake? Hamilton is not infallible guys. It is easy to blame the buttons or the steering wheel. It probably was just a driver error and nothing wrong with the button or steering wheel.

I think the race engineers were able to confirm to him he had switched it off before the restart and that it was pushed during the restart (on upshift, I believe someone said?)

[dans79]

I think the race engineers were able to confirm to him he had switched it off before the restart and that it was pushed during the restart (on upshift, I believe someone said?)

[SiLo]

I'm guessing the sudden steering input he had to make to get around Perez potentially had him catch the button. It's on the back of the steering wheel right where the end of your fingertips would be (unless they have moved it recently).

[Pyrone89]

On the token rule, some are saying that the tokens had to be spent in Bahrain. So could Mercedes have submitted what they spent their tokens on and just not put it on the car yet ?

James Allison said "We have spent our tokens, but we won't reveal how we used them just yet. That'll become clear in good time."

But they haven't revealed anything since, nothing is visually obvious on the W12 that explains where the tokens have been used.

Maybe they changed two minor things that cost 1 token each, but I can't understand why they are still being so secretive about it because if everyone else has spent theirs it's not like it could be copied. But I suppose it's a cut throat business and they don't want to give the competition any ideas what or where they're developing.



I still want to know what this is all about, has anyone heard anything more about this?

https://www.planetf1.com/news/surprise- ... cedes-w12/

Wolff, though, has now revealed that the engine innovation is not the end of Mercedes’ surprises

“You haven’t even seen what we’re going to put on the car yet,” Racingnews365 quotes the Austrian as having told Canal+ ahead of the season-opening Bahrain Grand Prix.

“Of course, there is room for innovation and that always made me happy. Every year we try to do something that is a little bit boxy.

“I’m not sure it makes a big difference in terms of the performance of the car. It’s beautiful if it works.”

This last bit is what makes me think they spent their tokens on something unique but just haven't put it on the car yet as they are still trying to perfect it maybe?

Could be. Let's hope not. It would instantly turn 2021 into another 2020.

But they do have motive for keeping back the latest and best until after July 1st. If I am not mistaken that is the cut-off for determining the amount of wind tunnel time the teams get for the next 6 months.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... dYx8a.html

So -thin foil hat on- there is an incentive to only start dominating after July 1st.

[dans79]

Everything I have read, has said the homogenized parts had to be on the car from Bahrain onwards.

I only see 2 possibilities at this point.

One, they changed a homogenized component (like the front or back monocoque), in a subtle way (that isn't readily apparent) so they could update/change a non homogenized component later in the season.

Two, they changed a homogenized component (like the front or back monocoque), in a subtle way in preparation for 2022, thats gives them some form of advantage next year.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/surprise- ... cedes-w12/

Wolff, though, has now revealed that the engine innovation is not the end of Mercedes’ surprises

“You haven’t even seen what we’re going to put on the car yet,” Racingnews365 quotes the Austrian as having told Canal+ ahead of the season-opening Bahrain Grand Prix.

“Of course, there is room for innovation and that always made me happy. Every year we try to do something that is a little bit boxy.

“I’m not sure it makes a big difference in terms of the performance of the car. It’s beautiful if it works.”

This last bit is what makes me think they spent their tokens on something unique but just haven't put it on the car yet as they are still trying to perfect it maybe?

[DarthPlagueisTheVise]

On the token rule, some are saying that the tokens had to be spent in Bahrain. So could Mercedes have submitted what they spent their tokens on and just not put it on the car yet ?

James Allison said "We have spent our tokens, but we won't reveal how we used them just yet. That'll become clear in good time."

But they haven't revealed anything since, nothing is visually obvious on the W12 that explains where the tokens have been used.

Maybe they changed two minor things that cost 1 token each, but I can't understand why they are still being so secretive about it because if everyone else has spent theirs it's not like it could be copied. But I suppose it's a cut throat business and they don't want to give the competition any ideas what or where they're developing.



I still want to know what this is all about, has anyone heard anything more about this?

https://www.planetf1.com/news/surprise- ... cedes-w12/

Wolff, though, has now revealed that the engine innovation is not the end of Mercedes’ surprises

“You haven’t even seen what we’re going to put on the car yet,” Racingnews365 quotes the Austrian as having told Canal+ ahead of the season-opening Bahrain Grand Prix.

“Of course, there is room for innovation and that always made me happy. Every year we try to do something that is a little bit boxy.

“I’m not sure it makes a big difference in terms of the performance of the car. It’s beautiful if it works.”

I think the “You haven’t even seen what we’re going to put on the car yet” part was a joke

[b2bL44]

Yes 100% this was a tongue in cheek comment from Toto when asked about what innovations Mercedes have for the W12.