Lewis Hamilton driving standards

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After reading a lot of rubbish in this thread, I have to agree to the first penalty, but not the second, which Maldonado simply didn't give up on and just turned in, it's clear as day and if anyone thinks otherwise I think you need to take a trip to specsavers.

I also think it is obvious that Massa turned in early, but I still would of given Hamilton a penalty BECAUSE of the penalty they gave to Di Riesta, if they had not given the one to Di Riesta, then the contact between Massa and Hamilton would of been a racing incident.
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nae wrote:not so sure its safe to say my opinion here as the thread might get locked

but if you are daft enough to leave the door open as both massa and maldanado did then you are equal in blame, its monaco ffs , one tyre width to the inside and the other car cannot get along side. its simple road positioning.

just to make it clear I am not fanboying it for hamilton he has lost a lot of his respect from many viewers by his ill considered comments and his slagging of the team

but he is right on his view about overtaking, it should be encouraged

webber did a top class move on koybiashi. even though he forced him of the track, he too could have positioned his car to defend the move but was also under the apparent belief that you can't over take at monaco

and then there is the other question, is forcing someone of the track similar to forcing someone of the road ?

if so then thats an incident that could have been avoided and webber should also be penalised.

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^^ This. It's just racing, let them get annoyed, let them crash, and let them try and overtake!
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andrew wrote:
HampusA wrote:IT WAS A JOKE. did you miss the latter part of the sentence? "Ali G says that"

Surely, that would be enough to get the joke but i guess not.
Still you don't say things like this as it can be taken out of context (usually by crash.net :lol: ).

Saying Ali G says that does not automatically make it a joke. I dare say that there are several people who don't know who or what Ali G is.

Incidently, I never found Ali G funny.
Despite the forensic analysis, a few inconsistencies remain. Scumacher hits Lewis at back on first lap and damages diffuser endate, was this preventable? Di Resta bashes front wing into driver at Loews following his penalty, was this preventable? Alguesari smashes in Lewis' rear wing after being hit by Petrov was this preventable? This is Lewis' reference to 'co's I iz blak'! Whislt Mclaren has always been my team, I have to say these instances which start much driver flamming always seem to follow strategy calls that have the bearing of trying to be too clever. If you have a driver dominating Q1 and Q2, why invent a strategy that was sufficiently risk filled to force the driver down the grid? Since Lewis'crash in China that denied him a a first WC, McLaren have invented strategy calls that have compromised or hampered potential victory. Drawing defeat from the jaws of victory the saying goes! Apologies for any typo's as I am responding on my BB.

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HampusA wrote:one lousy race does not mean you have lost all ability to overtake people.
I never said he can't overtake.
What I meant was that he does not care much for the safety.
This is wrong.

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boydy19 wrote:Looks to me that Massa has seen Hamilton in his mirrors and started to turn in.

Looks about 2 car lengths early in this pic.

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Seeing this pic a quote from James Hunt I picked up the other day while watching a recording of the 1985 Belgian GP springs to my mind:
James Hunt wrote:What discerns a good driver from his lesser peers is his ability to use his mirrors.

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He does, he just races with a hell of alot more passion then 90% of the grid.
Alonso is the same, they are not aggressive, it's just hunting.
Alonso probably has his hand out of the car more then on the steering wheel just like Hamilton.

They are natural born racers. If you give them as much as a cm they will attack.
It's fairly easy to defend at Monaco. Not many seems to know how though..

Hamilton is a great and smart overtaker, he sometimes makes the guy infront move to where he wants which not many can do or does.

Put yourself in his shoes, potential pole at Monaco, that gets scrapped, he then goes on a complete charge to get back to the top.
Alot of stress, alot of mistakes no doubt. But is he a bad overtaker? no chance in hell.
The truth will come out...

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I don't fault Lewis for trying it. I do fault him for trying it on Massa though. Him and Webber have history in these type of incidents.

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Ciro Pabón wrote:I predict Lewis will hit the ... front page in Canada again.
ROFLMAO. Don't worry Ciro, I will check the papers first thing in the morning.

So much for the fun and frivolity. I'm very uncomfortable about racism, it's an ugly smear against mankind's progress to enlightenment. It's not something to be taken lightly, but it's also something that we should not dwell on if it's not really happening.

There's also the label "hater", which also makes my skin crawl. I do understand that some fans are passionate about their favorite driver. And some are quite polarized, where their logic is that since they love driver "X", then anyone who doesn't share the same sentiment has to .. what's the opposite of love? oh yea, hate.

That's interesting since I love them all. Each and every driver deserves and receives my adulation and respect. What they do, and under such difficult and dangerous conditions manage to do something I can only imagine in my dreams.

But only my mother, wife, and close family receive my unconditional love and support. For everyone else, including drivers, it's conditional. If a certain driver screws up, I try to face it, might even comment on it. Heck, I still worship the ground Gilles Villeneuve walked on, yet I freely admit he had flaws as a driver.

So I sometimes wonder what some passionate fans find in my position, where one day I could praise driver "X", yet 24 hours later lambaste that same driver for some incident. But please, don't label me a hater, I love the sport and drivers just too much. Just think of me as someone who does not practice unconditional love or support for any driver.

Now, back to the original thread ... driving standards. The thing is, there are standards, and everyone knows what they are, and who enforces them. Yup, our buddies in the FIA. So I do understand fans wanting to discuss certain incidents and try to get into the head of Mr Hamilton, when it comes to driving standards they are already enforced by the FIA, and like it or not, when they state that "driver "X" comitted this offence and will be punished in a specific way, it really is the final statement, because no one pushes them around in this area.

In fact, because the FIA can come down incredibly hard against any driver attempting to insult them in any way, expect a very quick retraction and apology from Mr Hamilton. When he got out of his car he was, in poker terms "full tilt" and said some dumb things he wishes he never uttered. It's the old "constipation of the brain and diahhrea of the mouth" syndrome that temporarily affected him.

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HampusA wrote:...
Alonso is the same, they are not aggressive, it's just hunting.
Alonso probably has his hand out of the car more then on the steering wheel just like Hamilton.
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True.
But then how many times has Alonso knocked someone off the track?

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True, but how many has Alonso overtaken compared to Hamilton?
You can't take this race and base his overtaking skills on this, it was a fluke.

That said, Alonso is the best driver in F1 by far. He is so complete it's almost scary.
Hamilton and Vettel are still rookies, give them a few years to enter their prime which Alonso is in now.
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Onch wrote:
HampusA wrote:...
Alonso is the same, they are not aggressive, it's just hunting.
Alonso probably has his hand out of the car more then on the steering wheel just like Hamilton.
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True.
But then how many times has Alonso knocked someone off the track?
He drove into the back of Hamilton in Malaysia. Rookie mistake? Useless at overtaking?

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HampusA wrote:That said, Alonso is the best driver in F1 by far. He is so complete it's almost scary.
Hamilton and Vettel are still rookies, give them a few years to enter their prime which Alonso is in now.
Without getting trying to get into the whole Hamilton/Alonso in equal cars thing, I think Hamilton showed that he had more raw pace than Alonso in 2007 (let's not forget Hamilton has almost certainly got faster since then). Whilst I'm not an Alonso fan, I do have a lot of respect for him. Perhaps a more complete driver, but IMHO that doesn't make Alonso the better driver in all situations.

The incident that Hamilton had with Massa today, and his interview after the race, show that he has a lot to learn. Alonso would have been better in those situations i believe.

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At the end of the Massa video Lewis cuts the chicane..

If only Massa had managed to keep it in the track Lewis could have gone for a phenomenal 4 punishments in one race weekend!!!

Beat that! :lol:
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Full_Opposite_Lock wrote:
The incident that Hamilton had with Massa today, and his interview after the race, show that he has a lot to learn. Alonso would have been better in those situations i believe.
I think Hamilton is now where Alonso was in 2007. Frustrated and prone to lay blame elsewhere.

Hamilton had a shite race today. It happens. Nobody else's fault.

Now, I wanna see what happens when Vettel's day of reckoning comes. :twisted:

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Vettel has had his bad races. He seems to take it on the chin and accepts the blame. I don't recall him ever trying to transfer the blame when he was at fault.