2022 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 09 - 11

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AR3-GP wrote:
09 Sep 2022, 16:29
AR3-GP wrote:
09 Sep 2022, 15:53
dren wrote:
09 Sep 2022, 15:12
What were top speeds in FP1? I missed the session.
RB - 340km/h
Merc - 329km/h
Ferrari - ~332km/h -

Courtesy of F1-Tempo:

https://i.postimg.cc/FHdqsCtg/Monza-Fp1-traps.jpg
I should make a correction. Hamilton was clocked at 335 km/h. I didn't initially look for his top speed because he set the slower laptime of the Mercedes drivers.
Hamilton also appears to be running a rear wing that is significantly more trimmed than Russell's wing which would explain his higher speed traps. He reports that the car is unstable. Tons of understeer in Lesmos.

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Max's medium run was very good. 4-5 tenths better than Sainz, Russell, Perez even with older rubber. Leclerc didn't do a medium run unfortunately

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Max did a 25.7 on 14 lap old Mediums, RB and probably Ferrari if they can look after their tyres will cut through the field like a hot knife through butter with DRS, now I see why they took penalties here but they better stay out of trouble that will be the key.

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Source: Toni Sokolov [@tonisokolov1011 on Twitter]

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organic wrote:
09 Sep 2022, 18:31
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcOfUVnWQAI ... name=large

Source: Toni Sokolov [@tonisokolov1011 on Twitter]
Haha, you beat me to posting that graphic, Organic.

But wow... Max running the Yellows as fast as Lec on the Softs.

I can see Max cutting through the field rather easily, yet doing Lec a favor and letting him take the win on Italian soil if Lec is leading at the end. I can see a Lec/Max 1-2.

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Max was having a lot of traffic on his race simulation run. For a couple of laps he had to use DRS, but was still slow across the laps, especially through S2. Before hitting the traffic, he was comfortably doing 1:25.5s and 6s on mediums. He was comfortably faster by around 7 tenths over Sainz who was doing 1:26.2s and 3s on mediums. Mercedes clearly were struggling for pace and also were hampered by deployment issues in between.

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Max did his soft tyre race run in FP1. Could we see that perhaps?

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mendis wrote:
09 Sep 2022, 18:54
Max was having a lot of traffic on his race simulation run. For a couple of laps he had to use DRS, but was still slow across the laps, especially through S2. Before hitting the traffic, he was comfortably doing 1:25.5s and 6s on mediums. He was comfortably faster by around 7 tenths over Sainz who was doing 1:26.2s and 3s on mediums. Mercedes clearly were struggling for pace and also were hampered by deployment issues in between.
The lap times posted by Organic show all of this. Seems pretty clear the Red Bull with Max in it will be an absolute force.

Ferrari seem to be a steady second place, though the soft tyre runs are a bit similar between Ferrari and the Mercs.

Can we talk about Alpine now? Those are some solid times on the medium and hard tyres, over quite long stints as well.

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vanburin wrote:
09 Sep 2022, 19:03
mendis wrote:
09 Sep 2022, 18:54
Max was having a lot of traffic on his race simulation run. For a couple of laps he had to use DRS, but was still slow across the laps, especially through S2. Before hitting the traffic, he was comfortably doing 1:25.5s and 6s on mediums. He was comfortably faster by around 7 tenths over Sainz who was doing 1:26.2s and 3s on mediums. Mercedes clearly were struggling for pace and also were hampered by deployment issues in between.
The lap times posted by Organic show all of this. Seems pretty clear the Red Bull with Max in it will be an absolute force.
He did sound rather confident in his interview after fp2 on f1.com, despite the deficit over single lap..

sainz fp2 lap 1.21.664
https://streamable.com/ulcmki


ver fp2 lap 1.21.807
https://streamable.com/ljpdq5

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Unless i am mistaken the penalties so far look like this:

Verstappen +5ICE
Perez +10ICE
Sainz +10 gearbox (irrelevant, see below)

almost guaranteed P17
Bottas +15 (+5ICE +5turbo +5H)

Back of the grid, fighting for 18, 19, 20:
Sainz (+5CE +5K +10ES)
Hamilton (+10ICE +10 turbo +10H, +10K)
Tsunoda (+5ICE +5turbo +5H +5K)

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organic wrote:
09 Sep 2022, 15:56
Max's long run looked good on the softs. No deg despite quite a few laps and best pace of anyone
What were his times on softs?

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Drift4794 wrote:
09 Sep 2022, 20:07
organic wrote:
09 Sep 2022, 15:56
Max's long run looked good on the softs. No deg despite quite a few laps and best pace of anyone
What were his times on softs?
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Credit: dialtone on Reddit. He's a user here but hasn't posted on f1technical in a while

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Drift4794 wrote:
09 Sep 2022, 20:07
organic wrote:
09 Sep 2022, 15:56
Max's long run looked good on the softs. No deg despite quite a few laps and best pace of anyone
What were his times on softs?
FP1. 25.4-25.7 for about 10 laps straight.

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RZS10 wrote:
09 Sep 2022, 19:20
Unless i am mistaken the penalties so far look like this:

Verstappen +5ICE
Perez +10ICE
Sainz +10 gearbox (irrelevant, see below)

almost guaranteed P17
Bottas +15 (+5ICE +5turbo +5H)

Back of the grid, fighting for 18, 19, 20:
Sainz (+5CE +5K +10ES)
Hamilton (+10ICE +10 turbo +10H, +10K)
Tsunoda (+5ICE +5turbo +5H +5K)
Tsunoda got another irrelevant +3 for ignoring yellow flags today ;)

Will be interesting to see what Hamilton and Sainz do in qualifying. I'd think beating Tsunoda and then only giving their team mates a tow in Q3 would be the smart thing to do, as not coming close to Verstappen gives Russell and Leclerc a better chance for the race.

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search wrote:
09 Sep 2022, 20:29
RZS10 wrote:
09 Sep 2022, 19:20
Unless i am mistaken the penalties so far look like this:

Verstappen +5ICE
Perez +10ICE
Sainz +10 gearbox (irrelevant, see below)

almost guaranteed P17
Bottas +15 (+5ICE +5turbo +5H)

Back of the grid, fighting for 18, 19, 20:
Sainz (+5CE +5K +10ES)
Hamilton (+10ICE +10 turbo +10H, +10K)
Tsunoda (+5ICE +5turbo +5H +5K)
Tsunoda got another irrelevant +3 for ignoring yellow flags today ;)

Will be interesting to see what Hamilton and Sainz do in qualifying. I'd think beating Tsunoda and then only giving their team mates a tow in Q3 would be the smart thing to do, as not coming close to Verstappen gives Russell and Leclerc a better chance for the race.
Yeah I think Sainz and ham won't set a competitive time so that verstappen can't be gifted grid slots.