Tyres - Is it really more exciting?

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Do you think that now teams would consider deliberately not making into q3 to save soft tyres ? Of course you have to have good car...If it's such an advantage that enables you to get on the podium from 18th place, than it's much more possible from 11th place. Of course it doesn't applies to tracks like Monaco or Hungary...

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Tumbarello wrote:Would have at least forced him into a three stopper! :-)
Aye. I think with primes the RB would've quallied still top 3, but would have pitted maybe same as the option runners, then run a far more optimal strategy on the stronger, quicker tyres.
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But where they really that fast on the primes?

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No. The primes were downright horrible today. But it sure would've meant that the primes were out of the way early on
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I would put money on either a Red Bull or a McLaren trying that in Turkey as there is a straight long enough to overtake if someone's tyres are shot.

I reckon either Hamilton or Webber are most likely to give it a go - Hamilton so that he can take the fight to the Red Bulls, and Webber to try and get one over on Vettel who would likely out qualify him anyway.

The biggest problem with the hard tyre would be the start, and a Red Bull without a working KERS unit would be doubly vulnerable. But if you could still be running in the top 6 and have 2 brand new sets of options and one set with only your Q2 run on them then you would still have a great shot of winning the race on a 3 stopper.

So the strategy would be Hard - Used Options - New Options - New Options. Would definitely give you a good shot at a win as long as you don't do too badly in the first stint.

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Having said that, I think the option=option=option=prime would still have been faster than prime=option=option=option
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Looking at some of the stuff in the race threads, the answer to the thread's headline question is : "depends how your favoured team / driver does in the race".

So it's a ying-yang sort of topic.
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Most likely, but today was for me a much better race than Malaysia as we got to see all the drivers really go at it because they all had a chance at the win (ish). Was a great race.
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perez in Australia ,Hamilton in China ...Trullli complaining about inconsistant pirellis..
Is it possible that somehow you can make those tyre work on a different level?
To hava a GOOD set of tyres (or a bad) is really not plausible to me as 4 tyres will ineveitably create a set and you would need them all 4 to be better than average to do miracles,right? If only one would be a bonus it would destroy your balance ,two you´d need on the same side..and only 4 would hit jackpot..any thoughts?

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Seems the quality of racing changes race to race.
I still think the tyres prevent the drivers from pushing. We've heard it over the team radio, "remember you have to save the tyres, don't overtake now, don't push so har etc".It's the DRS that is saving the day and making the races look good.
Take away the DRS and the sitting duck overtakes and we don't have quality.

But i have to admit, though it looks very sloppy, it's exciting nonetheless.
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These throw-away tyres are ruining racing. We have big wide tracks with only one tiny racing line and the rest covered in black slippery turds. We need to go back to much more durable boots. A sharp reduction in weight and power would help.

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smellybeard wrote:These throw-away tyres are ruining racing. We have big wide tracks with only one tiny racing line and the rest covered in black slippery turds. We need to go back to much more durable boots. A sharp reduction in weight and power would help.
Dunno which races you've been watching!! Chinese GP was the best GP in years! =D>
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ringo wrote:I still think the tyres prevent the drivers from pushing.
Or to put it another way, the tyres present a boundary to test the driver's talent. It is good for a car to be on the limit of traction, it separates the men from the boys.

The days of endless tyre performance meant that drivers could forget about them, and engineers didn't need to worry about tyre wear in the design & set up.

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I wonder. Is Pirelli unwittingly (or maybe even wittingly ) dictating the strategy at the front? Every week they seem to give predictions of how many stops would be quickest. It seems to have turned out correct in Melbourne and Sepang. Could it be that in China RBR were caught out by that?

Also, I was watching GP2 when I realized that GP2 still allows tyre changes only on one axle. Isn't GP2 using Pirellis so that the future of F1 would have Pirelli management (how to heat up/nurse the tyres etc) experience? Surely that would necessitate identical regs? F1 should reallow wearing different compounds and separate axle tyre stops too IMO.
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djos wrote:Dunno which races you've been watching!! Chinese GP was the best GP in years! =D>
The ones I have to get up in the morning to watch. The Chinese was worth getting out of bed for but I slept through most of the Malaysian. The degrading tyres and the pitstops do help the show but the narrowness of the effective track is killing racing. F1 will never be like 125cc bike racing (my favorite class) but it can learn from it.