Is Hamilton desperate or what?

[graham_hill_fan]

Did you watch the race? I need a video clip. Sutil untangled his front wing.
Even the bbc commentary said that Sutil yielded.
So this is why i said it is exaclt the same thing but worse in Kubica's case.
Kubica was more bullish than Hamilton; in fact he gave less room.
Hamilton never tangled with Webber like Kubica did to Sutil. Hamilton was simply rammed.

Also consider that the redbull is much faster, brakes later, and it seems the rbr drivers don't do so well judging braking distances against other cars.

Hamilton was not desperate today, just unlucky. Don't try to pin any blame on the guy.

Next best thing for Lewis is to avoid Webber and Massa. These 2 have issues.

Yes I did, and here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgmcO9qLSkc you can, too.

From all angles - inside LH car, inside MW car, and from the side - you can clearly see that LH cut that corner as if he was alone on the track. He left no room for MW forcing him onto the curb. But you see what YOU want to see.

[ringo]

I wanted a video of Sutil and Kubica to demonstrate to you how Sutil did the right thing, and the show how Webber out braked himself and was heading for the wall across the road.
Look on the webber on board, look at his speed and how he slid over the kerbs, no way in hell he wasn't going to hill the wall; he wasn't thinking there. Luckily hamilton terminated his trajectory into the wall.

[graham_hill_fan]

How can you be so sure? Could you share any telemetry data to support your claim?

By the way, that corner actually had extra room on the other side that a few cars went through during the race.

Just for reference, here you can see how far was LH ahead entering the corner (click-on to enlarge):
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[Rino]

Because MW braked very late...

[graham_hill_fan]

You wish...

None of the video supports that claim!

Found any telemetry... ?

[ringo]

You wish...

None of the video supports that claim!

Found any telemetry... ?

Yeah i found it..it's too much to go through now.

You see that 100m marker on the left side of the video?
Mark was drag racing, so fixated on beating Lewis to the turn he missed the braking point.
Lewis braked first, evidence from his car pulling back a little in Mark's on board,
Mark plowed on.
You don't drag race down a stretch on the inside of a turn like that and expect to hit the apex with such late braking. Look on his car twitch around.
He went in too deep and the car slid past the apex then into the Mclaren.

[graham_hill_fan]

I like that you're sticking to the facts...

And I thought you were only a Beatles fan ...

[vall]

Yes, you should look at Kubica overtaking maneuver at the same place - while on the outside, he left room for the other guy, rather than cutting into him like Hamilton did! Hamilton was half a car length ahead abut Weber had the inside and it's preposterous to assume that he'll yield in that situation. A clear mistake by an arrogant, immature driver who expects everyone to get out of his way.

=D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

[FW17]

How is that Mark Weber has had 4 avoidable collusions this season and not one penalty?

With Hamilton in OZ
With Vettel in Turkey
With kovalainen in Valencia
With Hamilton in Sigapore


In all the cases he rams into the driver from behind.

Wonder why FIA stewards always penalize drivers like Alonso and Vettel?

Weber should be refered to the WMSC as Danny Sullivan came to an inconsistant ruling which has a huge bearing on the WDC

[zeph]

How is that Mark Weber has had 4 avoidable collusions this season and not one penalty?

With Hamilton in OZ
With Vettel in Turkey
With kovalainen in Valencia
With Hamilton in Sigapore


In all the cases he rams into the driver from behind.

Wonder why FIA stewards always penalize drivers like Alonso and Vettel?

Weber should be refered to the WMSC as Danny Sullivan came to an inconsistant ruling which has a huge bearing on the WDC

I can't remember Australia and did not see Valencia, but Turkey and Singapore were definitely not his fault.
To say that he rammed drivers from behind is misleading at best, not to mention suggestive

[ringo]

I like that you're sticking to the facts...

And I thought you were only a Beatles fan ...

go to 30s in
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlZmmB1veNI[/youtube]

explain the difference now. And don't tell me Kubica gave room!
Kubica was lucky Sutil was kind enough to yeild; his car would have spun or been puntured.

Sometimes i really wonder if you watch the race, or if some of you simply chose to dig Hamilton whenever you can.

Kubica was much worse than Hamilton in that approach. Sutil much better than Webber.
now compare Webber's field plow slide to sutil's fine control.
Dispute that from yourrr telemetry! I got mine faxed from redbull.

[Poleman]

How is that Mark Weber has had 4 avoidable collusions this season and not one penalty?

With Hamilton in OZ
With Vettel in Turkey
With kovalainen in Valencia
With Hamilton in Sigapore


In all the cases he rams into the driver from behind.

Wonder why FIA stewards always penalize drivers like Alonso and Vettel?

Weber should be refered to the WMSC as Danny Sullivan came to an inconsistant ruling which has a huge bearing on the WDC

I can't remember Australia and did not see Valencia, but Turkey and Singapore were definitely not his fault.
To say that he rammed drivers from behind is misleading at best, not to mention suggestive

Turkey not...but Singapore he surely rammed Hamilton from behind or from the back side if u like =D> ...

[Poleman]

Yes, you should look at Kubica overtaking maneuver at the same place - while on the outside, he left room for the other guy, rather than cutting into him like Hamilton did! Hamilton was half a car length ahead abut Weber had the inside and it's preposterous to assume that he'll yield in that situation. A clear mistake by an arrogant, immature driver who expects everyone to get out of his way.

Webber never had the turn if u ask me...It was impossible to clear the turn without colliding with Hamilton or locking and going way of the line wide...I cant believe that in Monza people were calling Hamilton stupid for going to a gap that hardly was there colliding with Massa or that he should have braked...Now that Webber does it is an applaudable and acceptable move...??

In highlighted section...Maybe Lewis is mistaken with Seb here?

Let go of Hamilton hatred...(if there is any) - Seems though that its the only reason for the above post)

[FW17]

Yes, you should look at Kubica overtaking maneuver at the same place - while on the outside, he left room for the other guy, rather than cutting into him like Hamilton did! Hamilton was half a car length ahead abut Weber had the inside and it's preposterous to assume that he'll yield in that situation. A clear mistake by an arrogant, immature driver who expects everyone to get out of his way.

Webber never had the turn if u ask me...It was impossible to clear the turn without colliding with Hamilton or locking and going way of the line wide...I cant believe that in Monza people were calling Hamilton stupid for going to a gap that hardly was there colliding with Massa or that he should have braked...Now that Webber does it is an applaudable and acceptable move...If that makes Hamilton what is being highlighted in bold then what Webbers move does to him? =D>

Let go of Hamilton hatred...(if there is-its the only reason i can excuse that post)

See the bias in the Anglo press, with all of them in denial of the "racing incident". Imagin these guys if the crash kid had done the same, they would have cried Murder with no shame.

[Poleman]

Seems u quoted my pre-edited post. (Doesnt make any difference ) On the other hand now...Press will be always biased...German-Italian-Anglo-Spanish and goes on...