Is Hamilton desperate or what?

[Miguel]

One begins to wonder if Hamilton's supposed "arrogance" is actually a melanin issue...

You could wonder that, yes. And then you would realise how the other fast and bold drivers, namely Alonso and Vettel now he's started winning, not to talk about Michael Schumacher, are also dissected under the microscope.

Personally, I think he's been given an amazing slack in "teh interwebs" for his incident with Webber. It's completely silly. Two inches more, and we wouldn't be talking about this. He was also a bit unlucky in Monza. The difference between a crucial move and a crash is sometimes minimal, and he was lucky in Monaco 2008 when he kissed the barriers but unlucky twice in a row this year.

This was, I think, bound to happen, though. Webber is IMHO amongst the dirtiest defenders on the grid (other than Massa against Alonso before he's told Alonso is faster), and Hamilton doesn't really give a millimeter if it isn't really needed. It's also true Lewis is more careful with both Schumi and Alonso than with the other drivers. Anyway, when you have these two guys fighting for position *and* the title, and the aggressive defender is given a faster car that can brake later and the inside line, no one is going to give up. No one. This time they collided with all bad luck going to the McLaren driver.

Finally, I'd like to add it's incidents like these which give Button a shoot at the title. IMHO, he's been the guy with the least flashes of brilliance this year, although he's gotten points mostly everywhere. He'd be in a brilliant position for the title had his radiator not been attacked in Spa.

[Just_a_fan]

So anyone that doesn't like Hamilton is a racist? Get real!

Not at all. Nice over reaction though.

The reality is that racism exists. It would be amazing if no one on a forum as big as this one held absolutely no racist views. I know I find myself being ashamed at thinking less than pleasant things about certain people at times when I hear of certain things happening around the world.

I'd call anyone who claimed never to have had such thoughts at one time or other a liar.

Is that 'real' enough for you?

[Just_a_fan]

Oh, and yes, I am a little envious because
DAAAYUMN!

I know what you mean, although I couldn't put up with all of the rubbish in the pits - melodramatic jumping around etc.

Jumping elsewhere, however...

[timorous]

This is my first post but I want to share my thoughts on the incident.

Hamilton had practically his entire car infront of Webber as they entered the braking zone. It was Webbers late braking that got him half way alongside Hamilton at the apex but he was carrying too much speed to avoid the collision when the gap he was in vanished.

Brundle likes to say that you dont stick your nose into a gap you know is going to disappear because you are just asking for something to go wrong. This is what Hamilton did at Monza and he rightfully deserves the blame for that but here Webber stuck his nose into a closing gap and was lucky to come out of it without retiring or losing position.

I still think it was a racing incident and the stewards were right not to give Webber a penalty but it is disappointing that some people what to place the blame on Hamilton for 'closing the door' when he did leave enough room for Webber to take the corner cleanly had he either braked a touch earlier or taken a less tight line.

[andrew]

So anyone that doesn't like Hamilton is a racist? Get real!

Not at all. Nice over reaction though.

The reality is that racism exists. It would be amazing if no one on a forum as big as this one held absolutely no racist views. I know I find myself being ashamed at thinking less than pleasant things about certain people at times when I hear of certain things happening around the world.

I'd call anyone who claimed never to have had such thoughts at one time or other a liar.

Is that 'real' enough for you?

So what you're saying is that anyone who does not like Hamilton is a racist? That is a pretty outragous claim.

As for calling anyone who has never had any thought "a liar" well I must be a liar by your judgement. Maybe a persons colour matters to you, but I couldn't care less if someone is white, orange, green, black, brown, blue, opaque etc etc. A person is still a person regardless of their origins.

I think you should put the race card back in your pocket. [-X

[andrew]

Oh, and yes, I am a little envious because ...

Really? Each to their own but I would give that a wide miss! Too much glam (soon to be mutton dressd as lamb me thinks!) and darn is she think and attention seeking (all the jumping around and overacting everytime a camera is pointed at her)!

[Just_a_fan]

So what you're saying is that anyone who does not like Hamilton is a racist? That is a pretty outragous claim.

As for calling anyone who has never had any thought "a liar" well I must be a liar by your judgement. Maybe a persons colour matters to you, but I couldn't care less if someone is white, orange, green, black, brown, blue, opaque etc etc. A person is still a person regardless of their origins.

I think you should put the race card back in your pocket. [-X

I was quite clear that I was not accusing everyone who does not like Hamilton of being a racist. I was quite clear in saying that I think some people dislike him because of his colour. I've highlighted the "some" to make it very clear that one does not definitely follow the other.

Colour does not matter to me but there is more to racism than purely the colour of someones skin. These days, indeed, religion is more likely to be the linking factor e.g. "all muslims are terrorists" (not an idea I support I hasten to add).

Anyhow, you appear to have over reacted to a thought I had and for that I'm sorry. I didn't mean to upset anyone's cosy little existence.

[andrew]

Anyhow, you appear to have over reacted to a thought I had and for that I'm sorry. I didn't mean to upset anyone's cosy little existence.

No over raction from anyone. I just don't appreciate sweeping statements like that which are offensive.

[segedunum]

I was quite clear that I was not accusing everyone who does not like Hamilton of being a racist. I was quite clear in saying that I think some people dislike him because of his colour. I've highlighted the "some" to make it very clear that one does not definitely follow the other.

It seems like a decent cop-out to be sure, but you're still using race as an excuse to try and deflect any attempts to criticise Hamilton and you're certainly trying to throw it in as a factor when there has been no evidence for it whatsoever in this thread.

Any threads around here should tell you that Hamilton gets just as much abuse as any other driver.......

[Just_a_fan]

you're still using race as an excuse to try and deflect any attempts to criticise Hamilton and you're certainly trying to throw it in as a factor when there has been no evidence for it whatsoever in this thread.

As I've already said, no I'm not. I've merely pointed out that I think some people have motives that extend beyond the skills of the driver. I'm merely interested in the reasons why he appears to collect so much unpleasant comment.

Any threads around here should tell you that Hamilton gets just as much abuse as any other driver.......

I think that Hamilton attracts somewhat more opprobrium whenever he gets even close to being less than perfect. Alonso has been the victim of derision because of the team order issue but even then there's hardly been the level of obvious contempt that seems to be directed at Hamilton at each race.

His incident with Webber is a case in point - he left as much room as others but is accused of not doing so. He is accused of arrogance by people for trying to overtake Webber rather than running for the points finish.

Where are the attacks on Heidfeld who collected Schuie in the same corner having left absolutely no room at all on the turn in?

I don't know why there is an apparent dichotomy in the way that Hamilton is treated by fans compared to others. If it was purely down to him being British I would expect the same issue with Button but there is not. If it was about supposed arrogance then I'd expect the same for many other drivers. If it was his high skill levels then the same should be directed at others again. I ask the question - why is he the subject of so much derision compared to others?

It's a genuine question.

[zeph]

Andrew, are you saying you would pass on chance to get with Nicole??? Sure, her antics are annoying, but I have just the remedy for that!

[zeph]

So what you're saying is that anyone who does not like Hamilton is a racist? That is a pretty outragous claim.
[-X

He did not say that. Just_A_Fan has been careful choosing his words. Excerpt from his first post concerning LH's race:

I honestly think that there are some people who hate Hamilton because he's black. It pains me to say it but I can't help but come to the conclusion when I see some of the guff written about him. I hope I'm wrong.

And before anyone has a go - I'm a middle-aged, reasonably well-off, white Englishman. And certainly not a bleeding-heart liberal looking for a victim to cry over. I'm just calling it how I see it.

Now, let's drop the subject before things get nasty.

[zeph]

I think that Hamilton attracts somewhat more opprobrium whenever he gets even close to being less than perfect. Alonso has been the victim of derision because of the team order issue but even then there's hardly been the level of obvious contempt that seems to be directed at Hamilton at each race.

I think you are reading too much into it. Every successful driver gets flak. Hamilton is no exception. Not in the amount of flak shot at him, nor in the nature of the flak being shot.

[andrew]

Andrew, are you saying you would pass on chance to get with Nicole??? Sure, her antics are annoying, but I have just the remedy for that!

If I'm honest, yes. I've had experience of a high maintenance girlfriend before and I can't recommend it for anyone. It really did my head in. Fun at the start then you find you are completely stuck and someone has pinched the escape ladder!

Sure she is a looker but if you look past that, there ain't anything there.

[Just_a_fan]

Sure she is a looker but if you look past that, there ain't anything there.

I think you're probably right there. Be ok for a one-nighter or the classic "holiday romance" but after that...

A bit like a Ferrari - lots of people think you're lucky to have one but few are aware of, or would fancy, the likely running costs