2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[jumpingfish]

This situation reminds me of the past years with Mercedes, when their employees repeated: wait a little longer, just a little bit more and we will find hidden performance and a good balance. If the car is healthy, it goes fast and is immediately tuned, just look at McLaren. Everything else is some kind of excuses and justifications. And anyway, McLaren started this era of ground effect with a trough and a bucket of bolts. Why were they able to get the WCC, while Ferrari is still second or third? If this creation from Maranello is capricious in China, then 2025 can be sent to the scrap heap and prepare for 2026. And even then, it is not a fact that the engine will not be the second most powerful after Mercedes, which is predicted to be the leader.

And there is no need to say that this is the first race, we should wait a little more, 3 races, 5 races, a quarter of the season, half of the season. Points need to be scored immediately, because the competition has increased and if earlier 2-3 drivers were within 0.6 seconds, now with such a gap you can start from the middle of the grid and say goodbye to podiums.

[Luscion]

No idea. We don't know at the moment really.

In any even they have to find a solution quickly or yeah it won't make sense to develop this car.

I havent seen anyone mention possible plank wear issues other than a sky italia commentator

There is no other explanation really. Leclerc after quali said that they had to change something that would have had a negative impact on performance (implying for the entire weekend).

i guess we'll see, only thing i found about ride height is that Ferrari got it wrong? article from today, translation is a bit rough but


https://autoracer.it/it/gp-australia-fe ... igma-sf-25

Unfortunately, there is something in this car that escapes understanding. It looks like a stranger, the data says it has that strength in insertion, but then it loses stability, the countermeasures for now are limited against the variables of temperature and asphalt. Recall that Melbourne was opposite Bahrain. According to one observer even the heights were never correct, by millimeters, considering that intermediate tires are taller than slicks.

[ScuderiaLeo]

I think at a more conventional circuit, namely China, maybe they'll be able to tune in the car properly. Whatever happens...this weekend in China is gonna be an indicator of performance in future races.

It's a sprint weekend.

One practice to set up the car sounds like a disaster for a team that's had all of preseason testing + three practice sessions to learn, and yet apparently hasn't learned anything.

[DGP123]

Yep. Sprint weekends are not ideal for a team trying to understand their issues. This will take four/five races to truly gain a decent understand of this new concept, at the earliest.

Hamilton (P2) had a strong performance in last years sprint in China, so there’s some positive spin

[Xyz22]

Crazy

[dialtone]

That was really bad… hope they can work it out by next race or thereabouts.

[Tvetovnato]

Before panic kicks in, this was the first race with a completely new car concept. It was bound not to be a smooth ride. The important thing is that glimpses of real speed was there, it's about unlocking it properly. China next week with warm sunny weather will likely make that a bit easier, despite it being a sprint weekend. The team needs to sort out the calls though, as it will be about maximizing the points until they understand the car better. That was not done today.

[Jdn1327]

I think at a more conventional circuit, namely China, maybe they'll be able to tune in the car properly. Whatever happens...this weekend in China is gonna be an indicator of performance in future races.

It's a sprint weekend.

One practice to set up the car sounds like a disaster for a team that's had all of preseason testing + three practice sessions to learn, and yet apparently hasn't learned anything.

Yeah I get what you're saying...but its easy for another top team to get it wrong as well. This race would have been a very tough learned curb but I believe in times of fire and despair...things can be learned...so maybe this Weekend they learned how not to setup this car...

[SoulPancake13]

I have faith in the team but I think that McLaren is just unstoppable this year. George is probably right in that McLaren have found something crazy in terms of tyre management because they were consistently 7-8 tenths faster just in S3 than us.

Just saw what Duchessa said tho... I am getting SF23 vibes right now. I think McLaren are going to be so far clear of the field it might just make sense to go to 2026 now.

[.Bole]

Every year same old story.
Correlation is great and next day we dont know ---, conditions changed, window etc. we need time so on.

This team’s mentality has been defetist and losers for 15+ years and we cant build car for ---

[Jambier]

Outside of this race which was always going to be a disaster as Ferrari cars never work in the wet (outside some very rare outliers) McL advantage is just too big. I don't think someone will be able to challenge them.

I think Ferrari can be P2 this year
But clearly McLaren will grab the two world titles

[bananapeel23]

I think at a more conventional circuit, namely China, maybe they'll be able to tune in the car properly. Whatever happens...this weekend in China is gonna be an indicator of performance in future races.

It's a sprint weekend.

One practice to set up the car sounds like a disaster for a team that's had all of preseason testing + three practice sessions to learn, and yet apparently hasn't learned anything.

Wasn't Ferrari generally pretty good on sprint weekends last year? Red Bull and McLaren tended to struggle a lot more if I'm not mistaken. Ferrari seems to dial in their setups really quickly as far as I can remember.

Also what happened to the pit wall. Ferrari was consistently solid on strategy last year, then decided to pull a Monaco 2022 level fumble today.

[deadhead]

I have faith in the team

Because they dominated from 1999 to 2006-ish?

[Luscion]

I think at a more conventional circuit, namely China, maybe they'll be able to tune in the car properly. Whatever happens...this weekend in China is gonna be an indicator of performance in future races.

It's a sprint weekend.

One practice to set up the car sounds like a disaster for a team that's had all of preseason testing + three practice sessions to learn, and yet apparently hasn't learned anything.

Wasn't Ferrari generally pretty good on sprint weekends last year? Red Bull and McLaren tended to struggle a lot more if I'm not mistaken. Ferrari seems to dial in their setups really quickly as far as I can remember.

Also what happened to the pit wall. Ferrari was consistently solid on strategy last year, then decided to pull a Monaco 2022 level fumble today.

Yea they usually are good on sprint weekends so we'll see this week. They were on pace with the rest of the pack in the long runs in fp3 and were less than tenth away during quali until the last push laps in Q3 where neither improved(according to ham, temps dropped and they did the same type of outlaps they were doing when the rears were overheating and that put the tires out of the right window) and then were nowhere in the race but the Ferrari hasnt really been good in wet/mixed conditions, at least last year it wasnt and apparently Ferrari got the ride height wrong as well and raised it too much? so lets see in China where its gonna be hot.

[bananapeel23]

Yea they usually are good on sprint weekends so we'll see this week. whatever Ferrari did to that car after fp3 was terrible, they were on pace with the rest of the pack then nowhere in the race but the Ferrari hasnt really been good in the wet, at least last year it wasnt and apparently Ferrari got the ride height wrong as well and raised it too much? so lets see in China where its gonna be hot.

Tyre warmup was the reason that Ferrari was awful in the rain last year. I wonder if they are suffering from the same issue this year.

I think the fact that Hamilton was pretty bad today is pretty concerning. I always thought that a major reason that Ferrari were bad in the rain is that Leclerc and Sainz simply aren't great wet weather drivers, but Hamilton is arguably one of the best wet weather drivers ever and still couldn't make the car work.

It seems like both the SF-24 and SF-25 are horrible in the rain, and like Leclerc might actually be a pretty good wet weather driver.