Don't follow your logic there at all. Alonso was the main beneficary from Piquet's crash in Singapore 2008 - he "won" the race.Boost fien wrote:As for crashgate , Alonso was the one that lost out with that stupidity , because it allowed Briatore to enact his contract keeping Alonso at Renault for 1 more year. If not for the results in Singapore Alonso would have been free to leave Renault that year ...
Where is the logic in it for him ........... [-X
Ditto. We all have our partialities but I see a lot of objectivity and careful anaylysis in this instance. Seems to be the general tone of thread.nipo wrote:Inevitably this thread has grown to compare Alonso with Hamilton and Schumacher.
I declare I am sort of a Schumacher fan, and I've never liked Hamilton very much.
Judging things objectively, you could say Schumacher has benefitted even more than Alonso by dodgy things he and his teams did in the past. On the other hand Hamilton seems to be a bit cleaner - his problems are usually because he talks too much.
I don't really have a problem if you say "if you criticize Alonso you should also criticize Schumacher and Hamilton". Fair enough. But that's not the point of this thread, is it? I don't see the point of pro-Alonso people to constantly pull in other figures in defence of Alonso. It's irrelevant.
Having said that, if I had to give one reason why I hate Alonso so much and still think the others acceptible, it is because he has always pressured someone else to do the dirty work. He does that so he's always clean. He didn't have to crash people out to win a championship. He didn't need to tell foolish lies to cover things up. All he does is whining and complaining and threatening, in the back seat. He's never involved, and if trouble is coming in, he's the first to flee to safety. You wouldn't find his prints anywhere and yet it is crystal clear that he has to do with EVERY ONE of those incidents.
He's quick not just on track but in life - you just couldn't catch him. But justice is going to put backburners on. We'll see.
We don't know Hitler but we hate him, don't we? I'm not saying Alonso is even close to being that evil. But his charactor reeks worse than any of the relevant drivers today and I don't like him. Trouble follows him everywhere he goes.mx_tifosi wrote:Regardless of objectivity or not, hating someone you don't even really know is sad and pathetic. Hating anyone or anything is sad in most cases, let alone someone you only know through tv and lives a thousand miles away from you. That's what I don't understand, how some people could hate or "really dislike" (in this case) an athlete because of his actions of which you barely know the details. Quite frankly it's disgusting and it sickens me to read that nonsense.
It's that sort of behavior and sentiment that puts me off from football, the crazed fans are unbearable. I don't want to see it here.
I live accross the pond where F1 isn't the biggest thing. There's very little journalism with respect to f1 here. My reasons for not liking the guy has to do with how I see him on TV and what follows him. From the hand waving bully tactics, to the belittling comments he made about his own team mate(this is ridiculous jab), to "get Hamilton punished because it is ALL we can do in this race", to blackmail, I've had enough of him. He's just supremely selfish.WilliamsF1 wrote:That is the image that has been painted by the english press after his days at Mclaren.
Totally agree that Alonso may be a fabulous guy in private without any of us knowing. A prime example in F1 is Senna - away from the track he was a lovely man but on it he was as ruthless as anyone.marcush. wrote:I happened to get to know a tv host(music channel)who was really a pain in the ass to watch on air..just triggering the desire to throw up instantly .
But in reality ,as a normal guy in privacy ...he was a normal nice bloke ,level headed ....thing could be different from what we happen to see or are made to see .
TV and media is a dangerous filtering system in my opinion...as is the web.
rifrafs2kees wrote:I live accross the pond where F1 isn't the biggest thing. There's very little journalism with respect to f1 here. My reasons for not liking the guy has to do with how I see him on TV and what follows him. From the hand waving bully tactics, to the belittling comments he made about his own team mate(this is ridiculous jab), to "get Hamilton punished because it is ALL we can do in this race", to blackmail, I've had enough of him. He's just supremely selfish.WilliamsF1 wrote:That is the image that has been painted by the english press after his days at Mclaren.
You imply we got affected by the press.WilliamsF1 wrote:That is the image that has been painted by the english press after his days at Mclaren.
