Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

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Mestrades wrote:Why the team is stopping Nico to the first pit stop sooner than Michael in every race? That always ruins Michael race.
Tbh Michael's races can't get any worser. 5 place grid drop in Monaco makes things worse :( .

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Monaco is a 1 Point race anyway in his statistic this year, so he can qualify 8-9th +5 grid penalty, so he still has a chance to get to p10 and to earn his 1 point...

Well to the car itself:
I think they didn't use their chances in the first 4 races where they were among the fastest in qualy and had a decent speed in most races, now it seems everybody has developed their car more than Merc, AGAIN, and the super DDRS isn't worth much anymore even in qualifying :(

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Ganxxta wrote:Monaco is a 1 Point race anyway in his statistic this year, so he can qualify 8-9th +5 grid penalty, so he still has a chance to get to p10 and to earn his 1 point...

Well to the car itself:
I think they didn't use their chances in the first 4 races where they were among the fastest in qualy and had a decent speed in most races, now it seems everybody has developed their car more than Merc, AGAIN, and the super DDRS isn't worth much anymore even in qualifying :(
"now it seems everybody has developed their car more than Merc"

Mmmm did you look where Red Bull and Mclaren were during the race? We can't measure this at all. This is a very strange season thus far to say the least.

"I think they didn't use their chances in the first 4 races where they were among the fastest in qualy and had a decent speed in most races"

Rosberg was a little poor at the start of the season, Schumacher had shitty luck. Can't do much about that.

I think the car could be good around Monaco somewhat. Isn't it one of the best in low-speed corners+traction?

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zyphro wrote:Mmmm did you look where Red Bull and Mclaren were during the race?
Ok, Mclaren:
Lewis from p24 to 0.2 secs behind Rosberg :roll:

Redbull:
Vettel ahead of Rosberg, started behind him, had a nose change+drive through :roll:

Just comparing the fastest of the teammates here, because of the bad luck MSC has, he can't be so easily compared to others...

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what´s the point in not going out in qualy saving all fesh rubber and then not start the race on the primes?
I have no idea what they are on.I would set up the car for prime tyre and try the best to not use too many softs to make it into Q3 somehow and start the racew well prepared on hard rubber.It was very obvious that primes where not slower but lasted longer so it was very possible to save one stop and make the last an option stint..being off sequence would have opened the opportunity to run in clean air when all the front runners dived into the pits before lap 10...

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marcush. wrote:what´s the point in not going out in qualy saving all fesh rubber and then not start the race on the primes?
I have no idea what they are on.I would set up the car for prime tyre and try the best to not use too many softs to make it into Q3 somehow and start the racew well prepared on hard rubber.It was very obvious that primes where not slower but lasted longer so it was very possible to save one stop and make the last an option stint..being off sequence would have opened the opportunity to run in clean air when all the front runners dived into the pits before lap 10...
+1 They did the same mistake again #-o
In Bahrain they could have used this strategy also...

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Ganxxta wrote:
zyphro wrote:Mmmm did you look where Red Bull and Mclaren were during the race?
Ok, Mclaren:
Lewis from p24 to 0.2 secs behind Rosberg :roll:

Redbull:
Vettel ahead of Rosberg, started behind him, had a nose change+drive through :roll:

Just comparing the fastest of the teammates here, because of the bad luck MSC has, he can't be so easily compared to others...
McLaren were competitive in Hamilton's hands. But where was Button all weekend? And Webber? I don't think it's as black and white as you think. Both of those teams given their dominance last year should be miles ahead in development. But they're not, because the development path is being based around the tyres. If you don't understand the tyres (which I suspect no-one has) you can't progress further as much.

Also in Bahrain, Schumacher went from P24 to P10, only 16 sec behind Rosberg? As I said, I don't think there is any conclusions to draw. No pecking order, no nothing :| .
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marcush. wrote:what´s the point in not going out in qualy saving all fesh rubber and then not start the race on the primes?
I have no idea what they are on.I would set up the car for prime tyre and try the best to not use too many softs to make it into Q3 somehow and start the racew well prepared on hard rubber.It was very obvious that primes where not slower but lasted longer so it was very possible to save one stop and make the last an option stint..being off sequence would have opened the opportunity to run in clean air when all the front runners dived into the pits before lap 10...
I agree.

As I said, strategy has been a big let down of this team for the past 1-2 years. A total shambles.

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The race thrown away and probably the best underside pictures in the net I have seen so far.
Brilliant weekend.

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Isn't it funny that in the same season that Rosberg got his first win Williams has a winning car?
"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool."~William Shakespeare

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Morteza wrote:Isn't it funny that in the same season that Rosberg got his first win Williams has a winning car?
Isn't it also funny that, in the same season that Sam Michael leaves Williams; they thrive, whilst the opposite happens to McLaren?

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Must admit, I like seeing Schumacher riled up. It reminds me of the Schumacher of old, I never really took the cool and relaxed Schumi. Him being angry just shows how hungry he is for success.

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Schumi was just too much excited to pass Senna, because Rosberg and Grosjean were already ahead, and Senna was on used tyres. If he did not push, the race was gone for him.

Still, I would expect that after the first 4 horrible races, a 7-time WC would be a bit more clever, really. I think desperation got the best of him this time (same thing as in Singapore last year, when he was trying to catch... Rosberg, also).

As for the qualy strategy, give it up. You have to start as forward as possible, like always has been. It is easier to overtake now? Yes, but I still think it is better to start ahead (at least, you minimize the risk of getting caught in a spin, a late braker, etc.).

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AosudiF1 wrote:Schumi was just too much excited to pass Senna, because Rosberg and Grosjean were already ahead, and Senna was on used tyres. If he did not push, the race was gone for him.

Still, I would expect that after the first 4 horrible races, a 7-time WC would be a bit more clever, really. I think desperation got the best of him this time (same thing as in Singapore last year, when he was trying to catch... Rosberg, also).

As for the qualy strategy, give it up. You have to start as forward as possible, like always has been. It is easier to overtake now? Yes, but I still think it is better to start ahead (at least, you minimize the risk of getting caught in a spin, a late braker, etc.).
I agree.

They need to be aiming for front row, forget saving tyres. Heck, they didn't even use the tyres correctly in this race. Why oh why, did they send Schumacher back out on softs?

Also by qualifying higher up, he wouldn't have to deal with amateurs such as Senna.

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zyphro wrote:
marcush. wrote:what´s the point in not going out in qualy saving all fesh rubber and then not start the race on the primes?
I have no idea what they are on.I would set up the car for prime tyre and try the best to not use too many softs to make it into Q3 somehow and start the racew well prepared on hard rubber.It was very obvious that primes where not slower but lasted longer so it was very possible to save one stop and make the last an option stint..being off sequence would have opened the opportunity to run in clean air when all the front runners dived into the pits before lap 10...
I agree.

As I said, strategy has been a big let down of this team for the past 1-2 years. A total shambles.
I seem to remember that during his Benetton/Ferrari years, MS had this supposedly brilliant race-strategist with him,
what was his name again?
"I spent most of my money on wine and women...I wasted the rest"