2017 Championship Permutations

[Manoah2u]

Irony of it all is that it seems Ferrari was so boasting about their return and how most people thought Ferrari was back and gonna bag this,
it's Alonso 2012 all over again. I think Vettel is not going to grab this one anymore, and thus Ferrari neither, and this will be yet another blow for the reds.

We've been discussing this scenario in the early stages of the season or atleast when Lewis had some bad luck for sure around Baku, and how in the end of the season,
Vettel was going to get his part of bad luck and to cope with unavoidable penalties for parts.

Offcourse it's sad for Vettel to see things unfold like this. He did drive astonoshingly and brought in a great result, but then again, last gp in singapore was a absolute low
where he didn't just ruin his own. Anyway, it's the most insane thing i've ever seen to see his Ferrari been taken out in the cooldown/inlap.

That 100% is going to be a gearbox change and thus a penalty. But the way it seems, Ferrari is running into a variety of gremlins. Kimi not starting was really really bad,
and Vettel's car not able to participy in qually was just as bad, and worse when he needed another change for the race.

I feel like this is not the end of Ferrari's gremlins and that kindof hands the season to Mercedes, even though it must be said, they aren't doing anything wrong so it's not
really being handed to them, rather then Ferrari not doing enough to grab it.

But it's far from over anyway.

[foxmulder_ms]

Some of you guys are talking like Merc did not win 11 poles this year. Form what I have seen they are having a difficult time when the whether is hot and humid. I think it is basically that. We will see. If Ferrari is faster in next 2 races then they have a chance otherwise Merc is easy favorite. Vettel needs to win all remaining races. I just don't see that happening. Who knows...

[NathanOlder]

No but same applies for Lewis.

What applies to Lewis ? I was talking about him being great at fighting on track with his title rival and Schuttelberg said I was delusional. Or at least thats how i read it.

Can you please explain me what is that great in pass with DRS and with 20kph more than your rival on one of the longest straights?

As soon as Vettel closed him, he went complaining on team radio.

Vettel was just brilliant this year with going through the field and putting some amazing overtakes. I cannot say same for lewis because he was on pole and went straight into distance. Easy work that

Stop avoiding my question. What is "same applies to Lewis" when i say Lewis hasn't been beaten in wheel to wheel combat by vettel this year, and Rosberg over last few years (when its been clean)

[F1NAC]

same applies to lewis - neither has upper hand on other.

[NathanOlder]

Lewis has fought past vettel in Spain. If it was so easy because of DRS seb obviously won in Spa ? Oh wait.

Lewis won the Spa race because he was too smart in the way he used his car.

[Jolle]

I think this graph tells the story best, even with all the improvements in pace of the Ferrari's, as a team they are on a slide since their high in Monaco.



With Mercedes it's much less erratic and steady. Their car might have a small window of perfection, the team as a whole, seems to get the results in.

Ferrari/Vettel need a perfect weekend to excel, Mercedes scores whatever the situation gives them.

[adrianjordan]

Some of you guys are talking like Merc did not win 11 poles this year. Form what I have seen they are having a difficult time when the whether is hot and humid. I think it is basically that. We will see. If Ferrari is faster in next 2 races then they have a chance otherwise Merc is easy favorite. Vettel needs to win all remaining races. I just don't see that happening. Who knows...

I tend to agree. I also think Merc were hurt badly by the lack of dry running on Friday morning and their new aero package not working the tyres properly. Had they had the usual amount of dry running and been using the setup Lewis ran on Saturday all through, then I suspect they would have been closer in the race.

Whatever happens, we're in for a gripping weekend at Suzuka!!

[Juzh]

Lewis won the Spa race because he was too smart in the way he used his car.

As in he floored it and just let the car to the work.

[F1NAC]

Lewis has fought past vettel in Spain. If it was so easy because of DRS seb obviously won in Spa ? Oh wait.

Lewis won the Spa race because he was too smart in the way he used his car.

Actually Bottas fought hard and has earned lewis to be in that position. Also vettel never had so much speed advantage with drs. Whenever he pulled out of slipstream his speed was lower also his ERS started derating.

Also in spain he had softer tyres that enabled him to get good traction out of corner. Saying that because of that he has upper hand on Vettel and is better than him..... jeez. Hamilton is afraid to even try to attack Verstappen this year

[NathanOlder]

Lewis won the Spa race because he was too smart in the way he used his car.

As in he floored it and just let the car to the work.

Oh no, i was referring to the fact he was slower up through Eau Rouge than he could have been so Vettel didnt get a tow all the way down the Kemel and couldnt build enough momentum to complete a pass.

If you missed it I can find the quotes if you like. Just let me know and I'll help you out .

[NathanOlder]

. Hamilton is afraid to even try to attack Verstappen this year

Yeah, Vettel has taken on Max a few times this year, Canada and Singapore come to mind. How did that go for Seb ?

Lewis not fighting Max shows how he can see the bigger picture. Seb couldn't see this bigger picture 15 day ago and look where it's left him, firmly on the back foot.

As for the tyres in Spain, you say it as if it's impossible to defend from a car with a softer tyre, and thats not true.

[Juzh]

Lewis won the Spa race because he was too smart in the way he used his car.

As in he floored it and just let the car to the work.

Oh no, i was referring to the fact he was slower up through Eau Rouge than he could have been so Vettel didnt get a tow all the way down the Kemel and couldnt build enough momentum to complete a pass.

If you missed it I can find the quotes if you like. Just let me know and I'll help you out .

I know what you meant, it wouldn't do any difference had he not lifted. We had exactly the same scenario at the start of the race when vettel was also whoring hamiliton's slipstream and had a much biggest slingshot. But it was the same result, as soon as he got out of slipstream he started to fall back. That's just mercedes PU doing it's work.

That's also what vettel was saying in the interviews after the race. You can make yourself look like a fool if you lift as well, but then you have no chance at all.

[Juzh]

. Hamilton is afraid to even try to attack Verstappen this year

Yeah, Vettel has taken on Max a few times this year, Canada and Singapore come to mind. How did that go for Seb ?

Lewis not fighting Max shows how he can see the bigger picture. Seb couldn't see this bigger picture 15 day ago and look where it's left him, firmly on the back foot.

As for the tyres in Spain, you say it as if it's impossible to defend from a car with a softer tyre, and thats not true.

Verstappen is ragging on about how he has nothing to lose and it's true, He doesn't. It just means he's a prick who will go for any and all space just because he expects no one would shut the door on him. Some day it will come back to him.

[NathanOlder]

As in he floored it and just let the car to the work.

Oh no, i was referring to the fact he was slower up through Eau Rouge than he could have been so Vettel didnt get a tow all the way down the Kemel and couldnt build enough momentum to complete a pass.

If you missed it I can find the quotes if you like. Just let me know and I'll help you out .

I know what you meant, it wouldn't do any difference had he not lifted. We had exactly the same scenario at the start of the race when vettel was also whoring hamiliton's slipstream and had a much biggest slingshot. But it was the same result, as soon as he got out of slipstream he started to fall back. That's just mercedes PU doing it's work.

That's also what vettel was saying in the interviews after the race. You can make yourself look like a fool if you lift as well, but then you have no chance at all.

It seems like you think it was impossible to pass a Mercedes at that part of track in Spa this year ? But Ricciardo and Kimi both managed it. So its eitherHamilton did something different and got the job done, or Vettel screwed up and couldnt make it stick. Either outcome is fine with me, ill let you choose

[Juzh]

Ah, yes, the infamous double pass on bottas. Kimi had double tow, Ric imo just lucked into the perfect slingshot pretty much. You can't calculate those sort of things on the fly. Especially against a car that's much faster than you on the straight.