Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[Richard]

Putting conspiracy theories to one side....

What we see with Merc is a team going through growing pains. Their weakness in recent years has been in the design of the car, so they have worked on fixing that. So now their weakest spot lies in the strategy calls. They'll fix that and then we'll see the next weakness, and so on.

Each iteration will build their resilience, you have to go through these bad times to develop maturity and strength. That's why Ferrari and McLaren always seem to come out on top even when they do really stupid things, it's down to depth of experience, someone in the team has been through it before.

Merc just need to go through the the learning curve, there'll be more weak links to be resolved before they become a reliable WCC team

[Red Schneider]

Agree with Mr. Leeds. I've always felt that when Schumacher and Brawn decide to pursue a project they are too smart and determined not to make progress. Anyone who wrote them off in 2010 was certainly a fool.

[xpensive]

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Merc just need to go through the the learning curve, there'll be more weak links to be resolved before they become a reliable WCC team

What do you mean learning curve, three years ago this team took both WDC and WCC, winning eight races in the process?

[Skywalker@]

We need someone like Alfred Neubauer, to bring order in this chaos.

[zyphro]

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Merc just need to go through the the learning curve, there'll be more weak links to be resolved before they become a reliable WCC team

What do you mean learning curve, three years ago this team took both WDC and WCC, winning eight races in the process?

Well yeah, but remember they had to down-size (couldn't afford running personnel they did).

[zyphro]

Are you really that fickle? It was a major risk to leave it so late.

Not to mention: Schumi said the light was green, yet the team told him to back off?

No question of the mistake, but the team did tell him to back off during his first lap. Who manages the backing off?
The difference here is 0.04 seconds.

Does anyone have Q3 lap times?

Yes, but it was a major risk. No? It was a bad call to begin with.

[marcush.]

Schumacher politely expressed his concerns with car preparation and things going wrong in critical moments already in his comeback season...no learning curve there it´scalled ignorance if i´m correct...they had those wheel fixing woes before and reacted after a VERY long period of investigation with the integrated nut concept...and it failed .
So ,conclusion their bright heads were unable to fully decifer the problem and eliminate it .Look into your FMEA handbook and you will find the answer.Planes fall from the sky .cars grind to a halt after failure (or worse).

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

If Schumacher doesnt like it, he can go off elsewhere. Nothing is holding him back.

He wants to stay because he can see the potential. Hence why berating the team as some have done here is not only counterproductive but also STUPID. Which is also why Schumacher hasn't done so.

[marcush.]

If Schumacher doesnt like it, he can go off elsewhere. Nothing is holding him back.

He wants to stay because he can see the potential. Hence why berating the team as some have done here is not only counterproductive but also STUPID. Which is also why Schumacher hasn't done so.

Jet,this is not the point.You cannot say :if you´re unhappy we f..k up every other weekend p..s off.. without any doubt Mercedes has shown a remarkable weakness this season and it´s not really the drivers or the cars fault .Right?
so if the teams claim to be a serious contender for a championship is valid they have to provide the goods to enable both drivers to do their job.period.
You don´t think di Resta would have scored better than Schumi till today in the same circumstqances ,do you?

[xpensive]

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He wants to stay because he can see the potential.
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He wants to stay because nobody else would pay him that kind of money, or hire a 44-year old driver for that matter.

[Skywalker@]

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He wants to stay because he can see the potential.
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He wants to stay because nobody else would pay him that kind of money, or hire a 44-year old driver for that matter.

He is worth around 800.000.000 dollars, you think a few more or less will change something in his life.

[zyphro]

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He wants to stay because he can see the potential.
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He wants to stay because nobody else would pay him that kind of money, or hire a 44-year old driver for that matter.

He is 43 years old actually, and money? He has over a billion in his account.

[Richard]

He wants to stay because he enjoys racing. Merc want him for his experience and marketing potential.

Remember RB did the same when they recruited Coulthard to help transfer experience of working with a big team.

[Raptor22]

Mercedes Benz (brackley is one of the most experienced teams on the grid!!!
They developed a loser culture early on and it sticks to this day. Growing pains is really poor excuse, really very poor. I'm itting watching the race and making calls on pitstops and sometimes you can see Mercedes are just so confused that they either stay out too long or come in too early. In this mess they always conspire to get Rosberg's strategy wrong while getting Schumachers strategy as wrong as they possibly can. This is not Ferrari in the early 2000 when Schumacher and Barrichello would be pitted one lap apart or Barrichello would be consistently a few tenths slower. This is a team failing to optimise one car, then failing to get that cars qualifying and race strategy right and then failing to find reliability..... all on one car and in every race. Its really painfully obvious that's got nothing to do with growing pains but just plain and simple bias within the team and utter incompetence.

[bhall]

What possible reason does Mercedes have for favoring Rosberg over Schumacher?

EDIT: There's no need for name-calling.