Secret to Red Bulls Dominance in 2011?

[forty-two]

I understand the point you're making. But, your definition of complete control would allow engineers to program the complete set of engine throttle inputs for any given track, and all the driver would have to do is be the one who activates and deactivates that system to satisfy the requirement for complete control.

True, but IIRC, the regs for throttle to engine are much more carefully worded than the above quoted clause, probably a hangover from banning TC but perhaps an oversight on the KERS regs?

[bhall]

Yeah, I changed my example so the discussion would stay in one area without introducing needless variables. Programmed throttle controls and KERS inputs are equally impermissible, though.

[Pierce89]

also if you take into consideration the system you are describing.

if they are only using half of the allotted 400KJ for use with their button activation, that gives 3.3 seconds at 60KW

the other energy then being directly fed into the drivetrain is 200KJ. Now to eek that out for the remainder of the lap (lets assume 30 seconds as a reasonable time for total accelerating around a circuit) then that is only a power increase of 6.6 KW. Which is a fairly negligible power increase, certainly for the Renault RS27 which is rumored to be down on power by ~60 bhp.

However Renault have announced that they have gained ~ 20 bhp from not hot blowing and other reliability modifications, As RedBull only ever used Cold-blowing, they might have had a significant power advantage over teams who were hot blowing.

1. I always heard the RS27 was more like 15-20 hp down MAX
2. That Red Bull never used hot blowing is a myth IMHO, listen to their engine last year(the overrun sounds as rough as anyone's), and Renault have bragged that the RS27's fuel efficiency offered an advantege for hot blowing.

[raymondu999]

Why would the coarse sound equal hot blowing? I don't see the link

[Pierce89]

Why would the coarse sound equal hot blowing? I don't see the link

Because that's the sound of fuel exploding in the exhaust pipes

Listen to the Bull compared to the Virgin behind it(Cosworth said they could only cold blow for budgetary reasons), rougher than Ferrari who admitted hot blowing
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmGgvHflXgc[/youtube]

[raymondu999]

and cold blowing couldn't produce that sound?

[bhall]

Compare the sound of the Red Bull to that of the Virgin.

[Pierce89]

and cold blowing couldn't produce that sound?

I don't think it does, listen to the Virgin in the above video.

[Robbobnob]

they ran a different solution to the rest of the field, could have had different effect on the noise produced compared to the solution Ferrari and Red Bull employed

[raymondu999]

and cold blowing couldn't produce that sound?

I don't think it does, listen to the Virgin in the above video.

I thought the Cosworth teams all didn't bother because it was so bad in the Cossie anyways

[bhall]

[Virgin] ran a different solution to the rest of the field, could have had different effect on the noise produced compared to the solution Ferrari and Red Bull employed

What was different about their solution? It wasn't just cold blowing?

[Pierce89]

and cold blowing couldn't produce that sound?

I don't think it does, listen to the Virgin in the above video.

I thought the Cosworth teams all didn't bother because it was so bad in the Cossie anyways

I was under the impression they used cold blowing. i know Williams used an EBD in 10 & 11.

[Pierce89]

[Virgin] ran a different solution to the rest of the field, could have had different effect on the noise produced compared to the solution Ferrari and Red Bull employed

What was different about their solution? It wasn't just cold blowing?

I'd say that's fairly decent evidence of Virgin cold blowing

[Robbobnob]

virgin ran their exhaust to the starter hole for starters.

Upon listening to that video you can I definitely think the Red Bull is very unique in its sound when compared to the rest of the cars, Very loud and energetic.

The Ferrari and the Mclaren certainly didnt sound anywhere near as effective, could be to do with the type of blowing they were using

[bhall]

It could also just be differences in exhaust configuration.

At any rate, I don't think anything in and of itself enabled Red Bull dominance last year. They've been improving at a steady, rapid rate since 2009 (when Newey got a new formula and four cars to play with, I might add). It was only a matter of time before all the pieces came together and produced a killer car.