A word on Jenson

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lebesset
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I thought this was to discuss jenson and his driving , not compare his personna with other drivers

some people can keep a brave face , some wear their hearts on there sleeve ; thank heavens we are all different ; lewis wasn't upset because jens did him off the line , or vettel with the safety car ; he was upset because jens could just drive away from him in the same car , not something he is used to , and that says a lot for how jens has adapted at McL

don't forget that each driver has his own team of people , with a financial interest in the results on that car

btw , who's jim clarke ? I see jim clark as the greatest driver who ever lived , so at a guess.....[ my wife was a clarke so I am sensitive to that E ]
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lebesset wrote: btw , who's jim clarke ? I see jim clark as the greatest driver who ever lived , so at a guess.....[ my wife was a clarke so I am sensitive to that E ]
Dammit, I was on autopilot. Spelling is not my fortay...I'm annoyed now. Maybe an admin can take that blooming E out.

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Spelling is not my fortay

I can see that ...where's the E ?

maybe one of the mods could arrange a transfer
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I was a fan of JB back during his William debut but then came Brawn and it seemed he was trying to throw away a championship. It was only his move to McLaren that made me realize how great of a driver he is. Taking it to Lewis in Lewis's own team is no easy feet.

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DEVO wrote:I was a fan of JB back during his William debut but then came Brawn and it seemed he was trying to throw away a championship. It was only his move to McLaren that made me realize how great of a driver he is. Taking it to Lewis in Lewis's own team is no easy feet.
jenson won the WDC precisely because he followed the correct strategy

when the advantage of the DD diffuser diasppeared he didn't panic because brawn decided against developing the car , he just racked up points by getting to the finish in as good a position as he could without risk

if mark webber had done the same thing instead of saying ..I need to win another race ...he would have been 2010 WDC
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I have to admit I was not a Button fan in the beginning. For the longest time he seemed to be languishing in poor car and not delivering a lot of results(lots of bickering with Villeneuve did not help). There were some flashes of brilliance but he never quite live up to his form in his debut year where he looked to be a future WDC. The Brawn year was the lucky break for him and he took full advantage of it right off the bat and held off a strong charge from Barrichello. At that point though I can't say I was a fan. That car was magical early on. What really impressed me though was his performance as Lewis' team mate. This is a guy who outright challenged Alonso in his rookie year and won a nail-biter of a championship over Massa. In a team that was largely "his". And yet here is Button coming in and settled very comfortably in the surrounding. Coupled with the new tires and Lewis' irratic form, Button was able to play to his strength and maturity(probably a huge relief from achieving WDC) and asserted himself strongly in his new team. He now looks like that guy you can count on for the Sunday to deliver the result. He might still be ultimately slower than Hamilton, but his race craft makes up for it. And he also is much more PR friendly, and does not say the wrong thing. I am really very impressed by the "Mclaren Button", more so than any of the previous one...

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Dann wrote:His current team mate looked very dejected & sombre on the podium. LH should learn to hide disappointment infront of the camera. He looked very down when beaten by his team mate and continued to show it during post-race interview. Afterall, it's only the first race.
JB didn't behave like that when he was beaten by him.
There are only 2 reasons why he did that. He cant hide expressions OR he wanted to let the world know that he is disappointed/sad/etc.I guess that is personal choice or his management choice

Whenever I see Lewis act/expression of disappointment/sad I always imagine a child who purposely make sad faces just to get attention.

That is a negative response instead of giving a positive response towards problems and workaround his own behind the scenes,and bounce back stronger.

Sorry for OOT, back to JB (&Jessica :-" )
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Cant fault Button on the track or his performance in 2011, Canada had me punching the air when he used a wall of pressure to push Vettel off the track on the last lap.

That said, I must be the only person who sees something quite fake and disingenuous in his interviews.

Other than that, he's been very consistent and easily one of the most dangerous on track.

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@MysticF1

That'll be mainly due to the fact that Nicole is hollywood, and Raquel del Rosario is...... Spanish. Lewis' image world wide is bigger than Fernando's.

I'd say if Lewis & Nicole have a strong relationship/marrage they will end up at similar heights to Posh & Becks.

They are known world wide. Fernando's wife, most people will have to google it to find her name. Let alone what she does.
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didn't know alonso was married

who is she anyway ?
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Considering this thread is about drivers theres actually some quite good posts in it :)

Agree with what a lot of people say. Definatly agree that the Hamilton sulking is annoying and like other have said quite distructive and negative. It wont do him any good. I see him struggling to fix things too. He has built a whole network of people around him he calls friends who i question if they really are.

I really hope he can gather himself up because he is such an exciting guy to watch when he's in the right mood.

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JimClarkeFan wrote:

3 - Intelligence
Now that Jenson has got the team on his side, and has a car under him which best suits his driving style, the out and out one lap speed between Hamilton and Jenson is going to be much lower. Jensons race craft is much better than Lewis', and Jenson has been vocal of his opinion that he is a better racer than Lewis ever since he joined Mclaren. Lewis has been going from one mistake to another, and instead of looking at his race craft, and the decisions he has been making in the past year of racing he has been looking instead to pointing the blame at a lack of 'bubble' rather than his own split second decisions in the drivers seat - I'm getting annoyed hearing this from Lewis along with the childish sulking he openly displays and I am sure his team are too. Jensons many years spent in cars that have been poor or not suited his particular driving style has mean that he has had to rely on his racing intelligence to bring him points and victories. Lewis if anything has relied too much on his own natural talent, and has underachieved because he has neglected how to win a race using strategy.

Well there you have it.
Spot on. He's overrated as far as being a top f1 driver is concerned, simply because he lacks the intelligence to be top. I've said it before and I know it doesn't sound popular, but he IS too dumb for F1.
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I would guess that such a serious amount of money would allow them to ignore the constant complains of a car that was nowhere near as bad as their #1 driver tried to sell throughout the season.

Heck, a car on which Massa finishes in the podium or has to lift so that his teammate finishes ahead (As we saw often in the final races of the year) is, by no means, a "bad" car."