Returning to the Pits after qualifying

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JimClarkFan wrote:I feel sorry for Hamilton, couple of times this year bad luck has hit him. I feel pissed that he is now at the back of the grid, I wonder how he feels.
A team member made a mistake, just the way it goes. It might not be Hamilton's year to grab the brass ring.

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I think it was done on purpose. There is a conspiracy going on in that team.
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No excuses for the team. They knew the score after the last time they did this in Canada.

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munudeges wrote:No excuses for the team. They knew the score after the last time they did this in Canada.
So how come no penalty for Button when he ran out in China (was it)?

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whitmarsh needs to go. domenicali is a better principal than this guy.
Every race?
come on Mclaren. give Paddy Lowe TP or give one of the mechanics. Even Flavio would do a better job.
For Sure!!

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I don't want to sound like "one of those guys", but I can't help but agree withj n smikle that McLaren DO NOT want Lewis at McLaren and DO NOT want him being in front of Button in the championship.

Australia: Turns out Lewis' bad start was due to a problem with the clutch settings.

Malaysia: They give Button the undercut on Lewis (Button crashes his car anyway)

China: Out of the blue Lewis has a gearbox problem that drops him 5 places. They give him two awful stops. (Buttons wheel nut sticks anyway).

Bahrain: Hamilton has a 10 second stop. Then a 12 seconds top. Then a 6 second stop. (Button can't finish the race anyway)

Spain: "Oh btw we accidently didn't put enough fuel in your car and we are actually playing tetris on these computer monitors so we didn't realise till you had no fuel left. We'll just tell the stewards we didn't put enough in. Dont worry. Ok Lewis so it turns out we cant actually just break the rules whenever, you're starting P24 on sunday."


Sorry, but this goes way beyond bad luck.

McLaren at this stage are a joke even to HRT.
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hardingfv32
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GrizzleBoy wrote:I don't want to sound like "one of those guys", but I can't help but agree withj n smikle that McLaren DO NOT want Lewis at McLaren and DO NOT want him being in front of Button in the championship.
Logic would dictate that there would be a motive for such a position. What might it be?

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GrizzleBoy wrote:I don't want to sound like "one of those guys", but I can't help but agree withj n smikle that McLaren DO NOT want Lewis at McLaren and DO NOT want him being in front of Button in the championship.

Australia: Turns out Lewis' bad start was due to a problem with the clutch settings.

Malaysia: They give Button the undercut on Lewis (Button crashes his car anyway)

China: Out of the blue Lewis has a gearbox problem that drops him 5 places. They give him two awful stops. (Buttons wheel nut sticks anyway).

Bahrain: Hamilton has a 10 second stop. Then a 12 seconds top. Then a 6 second stop. (Button can't finish the race anyway)

Spain: "Oh btw we accidently didn't put enough fuel in your car and we are actually playing tetris on these computer monitors so we didn't realise till you had no fuel left."


Sorry, but this goes way beyond bad luck.

McLaren at this stage are a joke even to HRT.
Don't forget that they underfueled Button in Melbourne, forcing him to drive in a fuel-saving mode for the majority of the race.

All of this suggests that there's more going on than either favoritism or bad luck. McLaren, for whatever reason, is simply incompetent this year.

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Hate to say it but Sam Michael was brought in to bolster the teams race operations and strategy. Based on the teams (not drivers) performance so far this year, as much as I like the guy it's beginning to look like he needs to sharpen up his act or be given his marching orders. The record for Lewis' side of the garage is hopeless.

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but ham did a legal Q2 so he has to start on p10!

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bhallg2k wrote: Don't forget that they underfueled Button in Melbourne, forcing him to drive in a fuel-saving mode for the majority of the race.

All of this suggests that there's more going on than either favoritism or bad luck. McLaren, for whatever reason, is simply incompetent this year.
Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence.

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McMrocks wrote:but ham did a legal Q2 so he has to start on p10!
The thinking of the stewards is that he failed his only fuel check and therefore they do not know if any of the runs were legal or not.

It's still a ridiculous penalty though - perhaps they should have checked the logs from the car showing the recorded fuel levels or suspension loads. I'm sure they could demonstrate that the final run had an anomaly.

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myurr wrote:
McMrocks wrote:but ham did a legal Q2 so he has to start on p10!
The thinking of the stewards is that he failed his only fuel check and therefore they do not know if any of the runs were legal or not.

It's still a ridiculous penalty though - perhaps they should have checked the logs from the car showing the recorded fuel levels or suspension loads. I'm sure they could demonstrate that the final run had an anomaly.
he failed the post scrutineering check , therefore he got disqualified - that's the rules.

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myurr wrote:
McMrocks wrote:but ham did a legal Q2 so he has to start on p10!

The thinking of the stewards is that he failed his only fuel check and therefore they do not know if any of the runs were legal or not.


It's still a ridiculous penalty though - perhaps they should have checked the logs from the car showing the recorded fuel levels or suspension loads. I'm sure they could demonstrate that the final run had an anomaly.
And if he runs with much fuel they know it? u can run in q2 and q1 with fuel which is not enough for the check (only enough to come to pit)

Or u run in q1/q2 special fuel to survive they with hard tyres =P~

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n smikle wrote:I think it was done on purpose. There is a conspiracy going on in that team.
No it's not a conspiracy, it's incompetence, plain and simple.
A team gets huge money from winning the championship, there's no chance in hell they'll sabotage a driver like that just because Whitmarsh likes Hamilton more than Button.
Button had all sorts of problems last week, was he sabotaged?
Whitmarsh must be one indecisive guy, one week favouring Jenson, the next Lewis etc. and with total disregard for his job!

McLaren really should be leading both championships, they have probably the best car overall but they've squandered their early lead and possibly everyone's hard work will go to waste.
Whitmarsh really needs to up his game and I still have no idea what Sam Michaels is doing at McLaren - Williams isn't exactly missing him this year.

I think sending Hamilton to the back of the grid is too harsh.
He made it to Q3 fair and square and unlike some others, at least he bothered to set a fast lap.
In light of this I think a fair penalty would be for him to start from P10 tomorrow.