Red Bull Renault RB11 speculation thread

[henra]

Taffin and Illien about the V6, the power difference between the Merc and the Renault, the developpment, the split turbo layout etc.
(german)
http://www.motorsport-magazin.com/forme ... -probleme/

Thanks, very Interesting!
And if I were a Renault Customer a bit worrying. Sounds a bit like whistling in the dark by Taffin....

[PlatinumZealot]

See how politics csn bring about lies? The power deficit is not as large as that 75 hp as Horner claims it to be. Remi Taffin even went as far to say that even with teir engineering tools it is hard to accurately tell the deficit but even 40 hp is too high of an estimate.

[Manoah2u]

Like i said in another thread ages ago and got burned for it. Me and other members for that matter.

[djos]

See how politics csn bring about lies? The power deficit is not as large as that 75 hp as Horner claims it to be. Remi Taffin even went as far to say that even with teir engineering tools it is hard to accurately tell the deficit but even 40 hp is too high of an estimate.

Sure peak power deficit is prolly not that big..... But it's the lap after lap power deficit that is the big one due to an inability to get the most out off their ers system every lap the way Mercedes is able to.

[Juzh]

taffin is a renault pr guy. he said after 2013 season how they are in good shape with development and even stayed on same story right up until pre season testing in 2014. He's the same bulier from mclaren. all talk and no walk.
funny how everyone is quick to believe this clown. Why's no one inclined to jump on horner hypetrain? Everything taffin said so far was a bunch of BS.

[trinidefender]

See how politics csn bring about lies? The power deficit is not as large as that 75 hp as Horner claims it to be. Remi Taffin even went as far to say that even with teir engineering tools it is hard to accurately tell the deficit but even 40 hp is too high of an estimate.

I find it funny how you are claiming it is not this large with absolutely zero supporting evidence. You may be right or you may be wrong but with no evidence or calculations or anything of the sort it is fairly ludicrous to make a claim like this. How about you back up your claim with something substantial.

[Blackout]

taffin is a renault pr guy. he said after 2013 season how they are in good shape with development and even stayed on same story right up until pre season testing in 2014. He's the same bulier from mclaren. all talk and no walk.
funny how everyone is quick to believe this clown. Why's no one inclined to jump on horner hypetrain? Everything taffin said so far was a bunch of BS.

Obviously we're not talking about the same guy. Taffin is atleast as cautious and measured as Rob White or Newey in his interviews... He's too objective too and this is the first time he contradicts Horner or Marko... You cant compare Boullier with Taffin at all.
He only said BS? IMO he was proven right 90% of the time by the results, the track etc.

he said after 2013 season how they are in good shape with development and even stayed on same story right up until pre season testing in 2014.

Rob White too... Ferrari too... but the Renault guys were measured and they were geniunly a bit surprised afterwards IMO. Just take a look the last RacecarEngineering interviews.

[ME4ME]

Maximum horsepower is only a party of many characteristics though. Power at lower rpm, torque, turbo lag time, ERS deployment, PU-weight etc are all differentiators, all of which impacts performance. But that's hard to explain to the audience, so Horner probably exaggerates a bit to make people understand how much of an disadvantage Redbull has.

I guess the maximum output power isn't even their biggest concern. The packaging and weight is probably more of an issue. But by Redbull getting all of Renaults attention from now on, they should be able to make big gains. I expect Redbull to be substantially closer to Mercedes this year.

[Helios]

New Nosed RB11 (surely Not official)
http://i.imgur.com/X0m7rb1.jpg

Reminds me a bit of the second version of the MP4-27's nose. Really nice, hopefully the cars will look close to what we can see on your pic. =D>

[PlatinumZealot]

See how politics csn bring about lies? The power deficit is not as large as that 75 hp as Horner claims it to be. Remi Taffin even went as far to say that even with teir engineering tools it is hard to accurately tell the deficit but even 40 hp is too high of an estimate.

I find it funny how you are claiming it is not this large with absolutely zero supporting evidence. You may be right or you may be wrong but with no evidence or calculations or anything of the sort it is fairly ludicrous to make a claim like this. How about you back up your claim with something substantial.

The direct quote from the head of Renault engines is right there in the article. Why doncha read it?

[gandharva]

"Wir reden hier nur von kleinen Modifikationen, wir reden nicht von Dingen wie Kolben. Ändert man eine Schraube? Ändert man eine Unterlagscheibe? Das sind Größenordnungen, von denen wir sprechen."

Translation:

We are talking about little modifications. We are not talking about things like pistons.
You change a screw? You change a shim? Thats the dimensions we are talking about.

PR talk at it's best. Imho he is is downplaying some huge issues, because if not, Renault wouldn't have asked for more time and a relaxation of rules...

[Harsha]

New Nosed RB11 (surely Not official)
http://i.imgur.com/X0m7rb1.jpg

Reminds me a bit of the second version of the MP4-27's nose. Really nice, hopefully the cars will look close to what we can see on your pic. =D>

Yeah but i wonder what is going through team designers mind hopefully they are good and we are only some 20 -25 days for unveiling the 2015 cars

[gandharva]

AMUS has an article about how Renault, Illmore and RBR split the work for 2015.

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 12004.html

Renault is rumored to spend most of it's tokens before 2015 season start, but not before 3rd test in Barcelona because of too long production times for the parts. Illien and his team will focus on cylinder head, exhaust and injection. Turbocharger development stays at APC Pankl. Energy recovery/storage is done hand in hand by Renault and RedBull Racing.

[lio007]

AMUS has an article about how Renault, Illmore and RBR split the work for 2015.

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 12004.html

Renault is rumored to spend most of it's tokens before 2015 season start, but not before 3rd test in Barcelona because of too long production times for the parts. Illien and his team will focus on cylinder head, exhaust and injection. Turbocharger development stays at APC Pankl. Energy recovery/storage is done hand in hand by Renault and RedBull Racing.

I think that's the correct link: http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 43588.html

[dren]

New Nosed RB11 (surely Not official)
http://i.imgur.com/X0m7rb1.jpg

This is what I'm expecting on the Red Bull. It will look very pretty if they go with it.