F1 engines pollutant emissions

All that has to do with the power train, gearbox, clutch, fuels and lubricants, etc. Generally the mechanical side of Formula One.
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Riff-raff, as I said before, i agree with most of your points, and its not my intention to deny them.

That said, I don't agree with 2 of them:

First, I don't think F1 and efficiency improvement (or call it greener, if you prefer) are something that cannot fit together. That F1 was in the past about using lot of gas and that stuff, does not mean that reducing that would do any harm to the entretainement. I don't see, for example, how putting HERS would do any harm to the show. Same with most other sensible efficiency improvements ideas.

The other one, about F1 not having any road-relevancy, I disagree too.
Obviously no one with some knowledge would expect the very same designs or even techs to be directly applied to F1 (eg carbon fiber body), but all the pushing the limits in our sport certainly helps in bringing knowledge forward, hence making easier to later apply it to road cars. If you know where the maximun of a tech is, you can make easier its application to less demanding uses.
Heck, look at the much-talked KERS. All the R&D put on both the electric motors and the batteries will indirectly bring the whole tech forward, and so we can expect it sooner in our everyday cars. WIlliams has already being in talks with Jaguar and other manufacturers about a mid term implementation in their cars.

Imagine what could be done if FIA gave more technical freedom, while still keeping costs within reasonable limits.

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J-Raid,

"Imagine what could be done if FIA gave more technical freedom, while still keeping costs within reasonable limits.

There's an old racing joke that goes something like this: A guy walks into a race shop and asks the crew chief, "How fast can you make my car go?" The crew chief replies, "How much money you got?"

Thanks for the thoughtful replies.

Regards,
Terry
"Q: How do you make a small fortune in racing?
A: Start with a large one!"

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SOrry for the late reply.

Anyway, that the old joke said that doesn't mean that currently it is totally valid.

For example limiting the hours in the windtunnel & CFD & staff numbers but allowing to go for more freedom in aero design would keep costs under control, but at the same time allow for more innovation, at least more than current rules. Thinking is free ;)

And in my opinion more than saving on that areas, what should be saved is in the psysical material itself. I mean making the engines last longer, the wings and so on. That would not reduce creativity while certainly saving quite a lot. Same applies to reducing the material brought to races.

To end, there is the controversial Mosley's budget cap, with at the same time less constrinctant technical rules. I'm not saying I'm a fan of it, but that possibility exist.

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It has been said so many times that it becomes very tiring to repeat it. The aerodynamics of an F1 car have absolutely no relevance to road cars or to any application outside F1 racing.

What we currently see is a huge waste of resources for a race to re arrange the deck chairs on the Titanic. Every year or second year they change the boxes around the wings and start a new orgie of useless new aero configurations. None of these graves of engineering hours and wind tunnel Tera Joules of energy waste will give the society or the motorists any benefits.

KERS, HERS, advances in combustion efficiency and energy storage on the other side will over time reduce the energy consumption of race cars, road cars and many other applications of drive technolgy. Therefore we should make them the prime sources of competitive advantage and focus the teams on competing in those fields. Athough it is of no great concern how much energy a race car consumes it is very important that the vast amounts of development resources are allocated to technologies that benefit the motorists and the society instead of the pursuit of the irrelevant.
Formula One's fundamental ethos is about success coming to those with the most ingenious engineering and best .............................. organization, not to those with the biggest budget. (Dave Richards)

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F1 teams spend most of their budget on aero work because that is where they get the biggest "bang for the buck". The performance of the Brawn team this year is proof of that.

But since most of the cars now look virtually the same to the average viewer, a spec aero package (or customer cars) would be the most efficient way to significantly cut costs.
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