Mercedes Power cars are dominating

[Pup]

I guess this means restrictor plates. Welcome to Least Common Denominator racing.

'Following suggestions that there is a differential between the performance of engines used in Formula One, the World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) has decided that should this be the case, and should the teams wish to eliminate this performance differential, they may be allowed to do so by reducing the performance of the more powerful engines. However, no engine upgrades will be allowed.'

Those of you who are inclined toward conspiracy theories (like me!) might draw a connection here between this new rule and Max's failed plan to have unlimited rev Cosworths, which would have made any new team - like, I don't know, Manor - instantly competitive. (Yes, WB, I'm sticking to my guns!)

[ISLAMATRON]

The teams will never agree, nothing will change

[Pup]

FOTA is a simple majority kind of place.

[ISLAMATRON]

FOTA is a simple majority kind of place.

We shall see since the leadership is set to rotate soon... who's turn is it to be pres?

[casper]

Isn't convection of energy between radiators and the passing air-stream proportional to difference in temperature?

Well, of course. I learned that lesson hard when tried to cool thermostat tank without forced cooling (5 liters) from 25oC to below 20oC. It was a looong wait)))

Somehow I though of cooling system efficiency in F1 car in terms of drag it creates given same cooling requirements.
But yes, running a hotter engine with same heat output not only permits to dissipate less heat, but makes dissipation easier.

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I would think that the engine lubricant can operate at a much higher temperature without boiling off. See this http://www.porsche.com/uk/motorsportand ... er/mobil1/
so it would apparently appear that the engine cooling is more efficient.

[jamsbong]

Rules of thermodynamics. You need pressure difference which can come from increasing the gas temperature in order to produce mechanical work.

The more pressure difference you have, the more output you'll get. So if your engine can somehow operate at higher temperature than others without falling apart (and still weighs the same), then you'll definitely get more power out of it.

Lets not be confused by cold air intake, the incoming air must be as cold as possible to get the temperature difference (and more density) between the combusted air and intake air as high as possible.

I think it is clear that Merc engines have more HPs.

Speaking of unfreezing engines. I wonder if the rules should change so that you'll get a limited time and budget to improve engine each year. That way, engine improvement will be there but the budget can be restraint as well.

[megz]

I won't buy into the cooling thing though so blindly though.. I don't see any relation for the engine cooling and the inlet size this year.. they said the Ferrari and Renault were hot heads but look at the inlets they are the tiniest!

If any thing the Benz has one of the biggest inlets. So i don't buy the tiny radiator Cool engine thing as i said before.. That Engine got something special on the INSIDE!! Some alien technology in the metals or lubricant! The Benz might even be running at higher flame temperatures, lower friction parts,

See you missed the Brawn there... they've almost certainly got the smallest radiator intakes on the grid.

[WhiteBlue]

I guess this means restrictor plates. Welcome to Least Common Denominator racing.

'Following suggestions that there is a differential between the performance of engines used in Formula One, the World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) has decided that should this be the case, and should the teams wish to eliminate this performance differential, they may be allowed to do so by reducing the performance of the more powerful engines. However, no engine upgrades will be allowed.'

They need to measure torque and revs and limit the product over the 18.000 rev band. Very easy and simple. Then the most efficient engine would win. Ferrari could go home unfortunately and would not get anywhere above ninth place next year with 8 Merc engines in the field.

[ESPImperium]

I think that engines should be measured at the end of each year, the FIA should take 5 engies away from each engine manufacturer at random thrugh the season and then at the end of the season allow upgrades to the other engines to the maximum average BHP that the top engine makes.

What im thinking is a rev deduction of 100 RPM per point lasting for five races per driver could be what Max is wanting now, so that after a few races we could see a Virgin F1 (Manors new name that will be announced at Abu Dhabi) or even a Lotus getting points as of Canada or Great Britin next year.

Either one of theese could be workable, i would say the first would be best. Altho, a maximum horsepower rule could be the best idea, with a unlimited RPM may be the way to go, say limit the engines to a maximum of 750hp.

And each engine change, that should be concurrant to each other in my opinion (no friday engines in other words), the car should go onto a dyno in the FIA bay in scruteneering. How hard would that be???