Will Ferrari's communication director ever stop moaning?

[Ciro Pabón]

Oh, puh-leeze. Have we changed the name of this forum to F1Gossip? Have we now became character analysts?

What's next? Hamilton's hair style? Button's girlfriend dresses?

I refuse to moderate this kind of threads. Fight at will until locked.

(God, please, from a suplicant atheist, on my knees, make the first race to happen NOW).

[horse]

Sorry, hands up, stupid thread, my fault. [-X

[Mr Alcatraz]

Now that the title of the thread has been changed to:

Will Ferrari's communication director ever stop moaning?
It begs another question:

Does anyone actually care if Ferrari's communication director ever stops moaning?

[WhiteBlue]

Sorry, hands up, stupid thread, my fault. [-X

I don't believe the thread is stupid. It is abbout F1 politics. Some people think that makes it stupid automatically. I'm not of the opinion.

The other thing I don't agree with is this:

But is he (Montezemolo) not responsible for it? Realistically, in the real world sense, not really. Ferrari's Communication Director is Stefano Lai. Assuming LdM trusts him (a reasonable assumption) Lai does NOT have to clear every word in print with LdM or anyone else.

I think it's naive beyond anything written before in this thread to believe that this piece did not get the explicit stamp of approval by Montezemolo. It is a clear attack on the FiA and it is received by the paddock as such. Nobody at Ferrari would launch such a political attack without Montezemolo having signed to every word.

[Pandamasque]

Why is everyone suddenly so excited about Ferrari 'moaning' about another year of epic fail by FIA?

Why can we moan all we like and Ferrari can't?

This is a stupid thread.

[horse]

I don't believe the thread is stupid. It is about F1 politics. Some people think that makes it stupid automatically. I'm not of the opinion.

I suppose I'm just trying to say I'm haven't put this here to upset people, but I understand people are passionate, particularly about Ferarri, and the thread is quite confrontational. So I'm sorry for that.

I just don't agree with the ideals that Ferarri's management operates with at the moment and this press release (whoever in the organisation may have written it) is evidence of that philosophy. It seems like the deliberate fuelling of a power struggle that should no longer need to exist. Their man is in the top seat now, so why be so negative about even the idea of new entrants? It's not hard to infer that the target of the `holy war' was not just Max M. but the FIA itself and thus they continue to try and discredit it. Like Ciro and Tazio said, lets just go racing. Let's sort it out on the track because the melodrama needs to take a year off.

[Danlizzyman]

God some people on here need to lighten up! Even if you hate Ferrari and dont' agree with anything they said, what does this press release change?? Nothing!! It's just their opinion on the current position of the sport and I for one am glad to hear it, cause it's a laugh! Why they keep putting these out is totally beyond me, there's no reason I can see for it besides stirring ---, but it always provides a chuckle and of course pointless internet rants.

Pointless internet rant over.

[mx_tifoso]

I for one feel embarrassed to see this from Ferrari. Why can't they just keep to themselves and stop being so outspoken? They should speak out when they have to, especially Montezemolo.

There's a saying that goes something like this: "Its better to let people think you're stupid than to open your mouth and prove them correct."

[Afterburner]

If that statement it's all about moaning please let me know... I agree completely with Luca, i see these new teams like BOTS on CS, it's like they're doing a favor to someone entering F1 when they don't have the capacity and passion to do that. Teams like Ferrari, Mclaren, Williams, etc, don't smile to the fact they're racing with these 4 new teams that lack the true F1 spirit like small teams has Super Aguri, Minardi (now toro rosso), etc, had.

[jddh1]

I for one feel embarrassed to see this from Ferrari. Why can't they just keep to themselves and stop being so outspoken? They should speak out when they have to, especially Montezemolo.

There's a saying that goes something like this: "Its better to let people think you're stupid than to open your mouth and prove them correct."

So we think Kimi is stupid?

come on, let's get a little life in this championship.

[horse]

these 4 new teams that lack the true F1 spirit like small teams has Super Aguri, Minardi (now toro rosso), etc, had.

How can you judge the new teams passion for racing at this stage? Wirth and Group Lotus have been racing before and I'd also guess that the distributed engineers of Toyota are glad they can still work in F1. Can you really work in the pressure cooker of Formula one and not have passion for it? If you ask me, it's the big manufactures that have shown the least spirit, hence all of the swift exits. Yet this article wants to defend those manufacturers. Are they talking about defending spirit, or spending power?

[autogyro]

these 4 new teams that lack the true F1 spirit like small teams has Super Aguri, Minardi (now toro rosso), etc, had.

How can you judge the new teams passion for racing at this stage? Wirth and Group Lotus have been racing before and I'd also guess that the distributed engineers of Toyota are glad they can still work in F1. Can you really work in the pressure cooker of Formula one and not have passion for it? If you ask me, it's the big manufactures that have shown the least spirit, hence all of the swift exits. Yet this article wants to defend those manufacturers. Are they talking about defending spirit, or spending power?

I do not care how much Ferrari bosses moan.
The problem is, as Fota has proven without doubt, Ferrari bosses are nearly always wrong.

[Fil]

Can someone explain to me what is so wrong about this editorial?


- Preseason is crucial for all teams; only 50% of the new teams have run so far, struggling to do so even then.
- Campos has already had management, ownership & financial changes before the season has even stsrted.. Preseason is highly unlikely, Bahrain is more possible.
- USF1 has all but disappeared publicly. Their only driver signing is already exploring other avenues.
- Stefan GP is circling the new teams, awaiting their demise for a 2010 entry.
- BMW & Toyota left F1, Renault sold a major stake in its team.

- The state of today's F1 is Mosley's work (whether a different outcome was possible is a pointless 'what if' argument). It is what it is, and it is his work/legacy.


What is so contentious about these observations?

Would there have been such an uproar if these observations were made by James Allen, Joe Saward, or Jonathon Noble for example?



I see only one contentious point raised.. "Was it all worth it?"
It is contentious because no one can answer the question with honesty and accuracy. Ferrari would obviously prefer to compete in F1 against the world's auto manufacturers. That is their position, and you can hardly hold that against them.

[horse]

What is so contentious about these observations?

Would there have been such an uproar if these observations were made by James Allen, Joe Saward, or Jonathon Noble for example?

But they're journos, Fil, not competitors. The article is not a sporting thing to print. F1 isn't boxing. It wouldn't be in this weird, 'we're saying this, but actually we're not' way either.

[WhiteBlue]

Ferrari would obviously prefer to compete in F1 against the world's auto manufacturers. That is their position, and you can hardly hold that against them.

I don't think that anybody does. What people hold against them is their ignorance and arrogance.

Ignorance:

It is well known to the rest of the world that it takes winning for an automotive company to stay in F1 for the long run and even short term when the industry is in the worst crisis since the great depression 90 years ago. Every person with an IQ above 10 can figure out that Ferrari's accusations of the FiA driving the manufacturers out of F1 are completely fabricated. In fact the FiA was instrumental to rescue F1. Honda pulled out long before the new team and budget cut war hit F1.

Arrogance:

Ferrari also went to the brink of desaster and had their survival depended of FIAT they would have long gone under. They had the good fortune to be saved by a group of mercenaries who brought so much success to Ferrari that they now have 300 mil $ revenues from sponsorship, extra high FOM payouts and merchandising. As a consequence the team enjoys a 2010 budget probably twice as big as their next competitor. Without the management and politicking skills of Todt, the technical work of Byrne and Brawn and the driving skills of Schumacher Ferrari would now be looking at a similar fate as Sauber or Williams, mid field struggle and financial crisis every second year. They owe these people an awefull lot. Due to the dream team they play in the top tier but they ridicule teams that work their ass off with simillar resources they had in 1993 when Todt started with them. Back then they were a sorry lot that was too drunk at mid races to do a proper pit stop.