Should grids be staggered ?

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I was wondering, do tracks have trucks that have blowers/sweepers on them so as to clean the track?
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Yes they should be staggered.

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why ?
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Car 2 should be right behind Car 1, no space in between so that Car 1 cannot move over to block Car 2 when the race starts and leave room for Car 3 (sometimes teammates with Car 1, as in Monaco last Sunday) to come up and take the position.

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lets go back to basics ...why were staggered grids introduced ?

at the time the advantage of the 'best' side of the grid was negligible , now tyre technology spreads rubber all over the road off the racing line

so the advantage of the best side is now disproportionate ...it is creating one lap races , and the one lap is in qualifying !
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Hey all. Just thinking here. Say that there's been rain just before the race (enough so that the race starts dry) or perhaps overnight the night before the race. Wouldn't that wash away the dust and rubbering in of the track and so eliminate the existence of a clean/dirty side debate?
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Actually, there is no "dusted" side. You could talk of the "oiled/not oiled" or "rubberized/unrubberized" side, or even the "apex/non apex" side. Rubber and oil won't go away with rain, same goes for the first curve apex side. Actually rain "floats" the oil, making the slippery side even more slippery.
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I presume that everyone agrees that the faster you qualify the nearer to the pole you should be

but is a staggered grid the best idea ?...if tracks were of equal cleanliness across the grid it would seem fair , but race after race drivers comment about being disadvantaged by being on the dirty side ; this week seems even worse than usual ...kubica reckons he would be as well off in 11th instead of the 8th he will actually start from

why not go back to the old side by side grids
1st would have the advantage of the clean side versus 2nd...enough advantage in my view
2nd would have a bigger distance advantage over 3rd , but the cleaner track would compensate the 3rd place car sufficently ,but not so much as at present when 3rd place often seems to be better than 2nd because of track conditions

and so on down the grid

wouldn't be at all surprised to see alonso past webber , rosberg past hamilton and button past massa by the first corner tomorrow !
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It should be the way it was in the early seventies, first row three cars abreast, second row two cars, third three, and so on.
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sounds better to me , but is the ratio of car width to track width enough to allow that ?
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A two wide staggered grid seems fair to me. Many tracks have only one or two car width through the first corner or chicane (thinking of Monza or Canada). With a two by two staggered grid you have the biggest chances that cars will slot in neatly and that there will not be excessive numbers of collisions. I would not advocate the three staggered grids of the past. In places like Malaysia they would be no problem but then you would get consistency problems and drivers complaining that it is not equal from race to race.
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The V8 Supercars use the 2 by 2 without staggering and it makes for very interesting race starts, so getting rid of the stagger would be awesome imo.
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