Abolish the tire-change rule

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nacho
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In practise it has been seen that the tire-change rule normally puts everyone on 1-stop strategy, there is simply no room for anything else.

If there weren't rules to it some could run with two or three sets with soft tyres, one could gamble with no stopping, or do the same one-stop strategy as now.

It's actually many rules in one rule: change the tires, change the tires the other compound, stop at least once.

zeph
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I think that the refueling ban has made this season a lot more interesting! Bringing it back is not likely to happen, what with the eco-pressure and all.

I am actually in favor of gradually reducing fuel load as well. F1 fuel consumption is sooo 20th century! :mrgreen:

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I am in favor of a set amount of fuel.

I am also in favor of using whatever strategy the team wants.

Also, make the tires much softer (both options and prime) that will bring back some strategy in the race if options didn't last 15 laps and primes didn't last much more than half the race distance. I think the tires last way to long right now.
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mep wrote:
Just_a_fan wrote:Refuelling is a dangerous gimmick.
This argument is ridiculous when you do motorsport which is dangerous in itself.
Refuelling or not doesn't change anything in the general danger of the sport which everybody should be aware of.

Btw: Refuelling is not a gimmick its a logical and natural solution to improve for race strategy. Banning it is a artificial limitation.

The awareness that the tires last to long I have since beginning of the season but nobody cares about this opinion:

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=8244&p=158073&hilit ... ng#p158073
F1 is all about artificial limits. There is not one minute detail of the car, track or race that isn't subject to nullifying free competition in the name of racing

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When watching sportscar racing, I usually time my run to the kitchen to grab some snacks or drinks during the pitstops, because more of the excitement happens on the track. While watching F1 it's the other way round. Barely anything happens in between the pitstops.

It's funny to read people complaining about refuelling ban, because there's no excitement for them left in F1 now. Even Sidepodcast website nearly got wrapped up after the first few races because of this! They just lost interest. :lol:

That really highlights the problem of Formula 1. The aero vs. close following problem aside, if you have each of the 24 cars taking all the corners and straights pretty much the same speed as the cars directly in front or that cars behind for the whole race without making serious mistakes, where the would the overtaking come from? And everything in the sporting and technical rules is written so that they'd have to have similar speed in every bit of the track, use similar setup, strategy and be driven in similar way.

Now think when was the last time you've seen spectacular overtaking moves in the last few races. Kamui at Suzuka? Kubica's run through the field at the end of Singapore GP? Why was that? Ah... different tire condition.

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multisync wrote: F1 is all about artificial limits. There is not one minute detail of the car, track or race that isn't subject to nullifying free competition in the name of racing
Aren't free competition and racing synonyms? And if yes, it means nullifying free competition nullifies the racing as well.
IMHO exactly the lack of space for creativity and different solutions from different teams is what lies in the roots of boring races.
Obligatory use of the two compounds was introduced on request from BS and for pure commercial reasons, without considering racing at all.
The solution IMO is either a single compound, or if there are more than one, let the teams chose which one suits best the characteristics of their car on a given track.
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lebesset
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the problem with the softer rubber idea is that it would mean even more marbles ...and there are too many now!!!

surely the answer is HARDER compounds , more difficult to drive on rewarding skill , but reduce the tread depth to cut the life
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feni_remmen
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multisync wrote:
mep wrote:
Just_a_fan wrote:Refuelling is a dangerous gimmick.
This argument is ridiculous when you do motorsport which is dangerous in itself.
Refuelling or not doesn't change anything in the general danger of the sport which everybody should be aware of.

Btw: Refuelling is not a gimmick its a logical and natural solution to improve for race strategy. Banning it is a artificial limitation.

The awareness that the tires last to long I have since beginning of the season but nobody cares about this opinion:

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=8244&p=158073&hilit ... ng#p158073
F1 is all about artificial limits. There is not one minute detail of the car, track or race that isn't subject to nullifying free competition in the name of racing
The argument for refuelling doesn't stack up. There is an artificial limit on how quickly a car can be refuelled. If they set it too slow nobody would bother using refuelling, even if it was allowed. F1 was so much more constrained with refuelling, because for the most part the strategy was set on Saturday afternoon. There are still too many limitations that shouldn't be there, but mostly the problem is that the tyres don't have a noticeable performance drop off. Also the performance difference between the compounds needs to increase. These issues need to be rectified for things to change. I've watched F1 since 1984 and this season seems pretty tight by historical standards. It would be nice to see the drivers managing more distinct issues.

In answer to the question, They should abolish the tyre change rule. If they had the right tires, the rule wouldn't be necessary.

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I've said this eleventy million times already. We need 2 compounds - one soft that goes A LOT quicker, then falls to bits after 15 laps max, the other made out of mahogany that can (barely) last the whole race. No mandatory pitstops. Set the rules in such a way to make different strategies equally attractive. Then we'll constantly see really fast cars stumbling upon really slow cars on a different strategy, who would normally try to keep the faster cars behind to ruin their strategy = hell of a fight.

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if you make tyres that soft there will be so many marbles there will be no overtaking at all
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nacho
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The forced one stop strategy also means that drivers on track can rely on getting past the slower car on front when the pit stops come. Uncertainty of others pit stops would perhaps mean that the drivers would give their everything, every lap of the race.

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lebesset wrote:if you make tyres that soft there will be so many marbles there will be no overtaking at all
This is yet to be proven.
Hard tires make cars more aero-dependant = no overtaking at all. Proven in 2005 - the all time negative overtaking record year (ask Ciro for stats).
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Pandamasque wrote:
lebesset wrote:if you make tyres that soft there will be so many marbles there will be no overtaking at all
This is yet to be proven.
Hard tires make cars more aero-dependant = no overtaking at all. Proven in 2005 - the all time negative overtaking record year (ask Ciro if for stats).
I think the reason for lack of overtaking in 2005 was more because you weren't allowed to change tyres. All the drivers were "scared" of flatspotting the tyres.