Matechitz-"We don't manipulate things like Ferrari do."

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Do you support RBs "Equal" policy?

Yes. Good for them.
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No. They just tossed away a WDC.
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Matechitz is crazy
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Why would on-track battles breach a rule? :s
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What I'm wondering about is, why do they favour Vettel over Webber, if they do at all? Surely there must have been a reason why Mark has a worse stand in that team.

And I'm still sure they'll find a way to get both titles, even without officially using team orders.

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Vettel's their "kid" from the begining?
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I went with 'No. They just tossed away a WDC.' becouse it should have all been done a dusted a long time ago, but wanted Crazy and if there was one 'its the wrong driver....', as they have already gone on record that they are building the team around Vettel so they wont have the same issue....
And he wants us to believe he would not do the same thing as Ferrari in a hartbeat...if the points position had been the same as Ferrari were in? Not a chance!!! Webber would have had to give way to Vettel or got the boot!!

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Mandrake wrote:What I'm wondering about is, why do they favour Vettel over Webber, if they do at all? Surely there must have been a reason why Mark has a worse stand in that team.

And I'm still sure they'll find a way to get both titles, even without officially using team orders.
Maybe because Mark is constantly moaning about the team, instead of knuckling down and trying to beat his teammate?

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It has been quite a recurring theme lately. Vettel has braced through his reliability issues and seemingly seemed more the Schumacher-esque leader figure in that he endears himself to the team and works with his mechanics, and motivates them, while Mark seems to be moaning more often. Just my opinion, I might be wrong
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They have double standards - only applying the equal policy card when Vettel trails Webber on points. It it was the other way around, Webber would be supporting Vettel all the way.

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gilgen wrote:
Mandrake wrote:What I'm wondering about is, why do they favour Vettel over Webber, if they do at all? Surely there must have been a reason why Mark has a worse stand in that team.

And I'm still sure they'll find a way to get both titles, even without officially using team orders.
Maybe because Mark is constantly moaning about the team, instead of knuckling down and trying to beat his teammate?
The perception of #1 status of Vettel is IMHO much due to Mark's moaning and constantly stirring the media pot, sometimes even putting the team bosses in an unpleasant situation.
Both drivers still have their title chances and it will be fair one of them eventually to help the other when it becomes clear he's lost his chances depending on how the race unfolds at Abu Dhabi.
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BMW_F1 wrote:They have double standards - only applying the equal policy card when Vettel trails Webber on points. It it was the other way around, Webber would be supporting Vettel all the way.
How on earth do you know that?

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..simple..
when Vettel was slightly ahead on points at one time during the season they took Webber's new front wing and put it on Vettel's car...sending a clear message of the team favoring one driver over the other..

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BMW_F1 wrote:..simple..
when Vettel was slightly ahead on points at one time during the season they took Webber's new front wing and put it on Vettel's car...sending a clear message of the team favoring one driver over the other..
That proves nothing! I presume you mean that IN YOUR OPINION, that sent a clear message. Funny how Webber was ok with it, as he found that it made no difference to his lap times, whereas it DID help Vettels times. The decision was a "no brainer".

It is ok to have an opinion, but it is better to rely on fact.

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Dragonfly wrote:
gilgen wrote:
Mandrake wrote:What I'm wondering about is, why do they favour Vettel over Webber, if they do at all? Surely there must have been a reason why Mark has a worse stand in that team.

And I'm still sure they'll find a way to get both titles, even without officially using team orders.
Maybe because Mark is constantly moaning about the team, instead of knuckling down and trying to beat his teammate?
The perception of #1 status of Vettel is IMHO much due to Mark's moaning and constantly stirring the media pot, sometimes even putting the team bosses in an unpleasant situation.
Both drivers still have their title chances and it will be fair one of them eventually to help the other when it becomes clear he's lost his chances depending on how the race unfolds at Abu Dhabi.
Yeah. In my view (I repeat. MY VIEW) when Mark's got a problem, he takes it to the media and pressures the team. Vettel does a more leader-like, endearing, "come on guys. We lose together, but let's make it so that we win together and bounce back stronger" Real life is rarely ever black and white with 1 side an unsung, oppressed hero, and the other a pantomime villain.
gilgen wrote:
BMW_F1 wrote:..simple..
when Vettel was slightly ahead on points at one time during the season they took Webber's new front wing and put it on Vettel's car...sending a clear message of the team favoring one driver over the other..
That proves nothing! I presume you mean that IN YOUR OPINION, that sent a clear message. Funny how Webber was ok with it, as he found that it made no difference to his lap times, whereas it DID help Vettels times. The decision was a "no brainer".

It is ok to have an opinion, but it is better to rely on fact.
I did hear about that as well... I saw an article once which my friend showed me that tells how Mark actually thought the car didn't benefit from the wing, and it might in fact have made him slower. Then after FP2 Mark said he didn't like it while Vettel liked it. But when his was being given to Vettel's, then started to blab to the media on how it was favoritism etc.
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Good for them .

Murray Walker explains - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsp ... 177602.stm

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That was a good point by Murray Walker. If Webber DNF in Abu Dhabi, then Vettel can still bring home the WDC. If Vettel had given way to Webber in Brazil, then he'd be 22 points behind and unlikely to be able to pick up the WDC if Webber has a problem.

RB have two drivers in the hunt, spreading the risk

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gilgen wrote:
BMW_F1 wrote:..simple..
when Vettel was slightly ahead on points at one time during the season they took Webber's new front wing and put it on Vettel's car...sending a clear message of the team favoring one driver over the other..
That proves nothing! I presume you mean that IN YOUR OPINION, that sent a clear message. Funny how Webber was ok with it, as he found that it made no difference to his lap times, whereas it DID help Vettels times. The decision was a "no brainer".

It is ok to have an opinion, but it is better to rely on fact.
you will never be able to prove that a team has preferential treatment over one of their drivers - you just notice it.