Team Orders Ban Lifted

[Italiano]

Refueling?
There will not be refueling unless Ferrari demands it.

[raymondu999]

What does this refueling stuff have to do with Team orders?

Btw, didn't our two British champions say that they would quit if team orders were reintroduced?

[autogyro]

Removing the team orders ban is simply bowing to the demands of Ferrari to give them the usual unfair advantage they race under, thats all.

[wesley123]

What is pretty funny about the whole ban is that in the Last ten years Ferrari is the only team to ever execute team orders open on track, nobody has really done that. It is simply ridiculous that the ban gets removed only because Ferrari breaks the rule once again with the excuse 'Others do it too but it doesnt get noticed' It is simply ridiculous, i dont have any other words for it.

[Gerhard Berger]

There were plenty of teams that executed team orders openly, not only Ferrari. Either you have a very selective memory, or you're very naive.

[MarceloSP]

Can you guys imagine Senna, Mansell, Prost, Piquet, Clark, Fangio, Fittipaldi, and many others taking team orders? What do you think they would say?
No need to go that far back in time do imagine. Think about Schumacher to obey to team orders....

I am Brazilian, and I find disgraceful that Massa, Barrichelo, and any other pilot take team orders.

My congrats to Weber and Vettel, for crashing themselves when fighting for positions.

What can we do? Not much. I can only not buy FIAT cars anymore, I can only not buy anything from a sponsor that has it's name printed on a car from a F1 team that do "team orders".

Even though Massa and Barrichelo are Brazilians, I don't support them anymore. They are cowards.

Team Play? f... it!!! This is not Soccer, Football, Basketball, whatever...

By the way.... I still watch F1 because of McLaren, Red Bull, and other teams that don´t do it...

[Gerhard Berger]

Team Play? f... it!!! This is not Soccer, Football, Basketball, whatever...

There's a huge amount of team work that goes on in F1. If you don't like it, then i suggest you stop watching the sport.

By the way.... I still watch F1 because of McLaren, Red Bull, and other teams that don´t do it...

I guess you missed the Turkish Grand Prix this year then?

[myurr]

Team Play? f... it!!! This is not Soccer, Football, Basketball, whatever...

There's a huge amount of team work that goes on in F1. If you don't like it, then i suggest you stop watching the sport.

A single car team could still win the drivers world championship, this is not a team sport in the sense of those other sports that were mentioned. Frankly I abhor team such blatant team orders as practiced by Ferrari, but can see a place for them in a tightly fought championship where one driver doesn't have a realistic chance. The only other time it's understandable is where they're on a different strategy.

By the way.... I still watch F1 because of McLaren, Red Bull, and other teams that don´t do it...

I guess you missed the Turkish Grand Prix this year then?[/quote]

Errrr that was actually his point!!

[scotty86]

Frankly I abhor team such blatant team orders as practiced by Ferrari, but can see a place for them in a tightly fought championship where one driver doesn't have a realistic chance.

A realistic chance eh? Cause Massa sure as hell wasn't realistically gonna win the title this season.

[myurr]

Frankly I abhor team such blatant team orders as practiced by Ferrari, but can see a place for them in a tightly fought championship where one driver doesn't have a realistic chance.

A realistic chance eh? Cause Massa sure as hell wasn't realistically gonna win the title this season.

It was still too early in the season and really quite underhand. For all you know that could have been the start of Massa's fightback before Ferrari crushed his spirit. It's not like Alonso had taken charge of the championship at that point.

[Gerhard Berger]

Frankly I abhor team such blatant team orders as practiced by Ferrari, but can see a place for them in a tightly fought championship where one driver doesn't have a realistic chance.

A realistic chance eh? Cause Massa sure as hell wasn't realistically gonna win the title this season.

It was still too early in the season and really quite underhand. For all you know that could have been the start of Massa's fightback before Ferrari crushed his spirit. It's not like Alonso had taken charge of the championship at that point.

Gotta love how deluded some people are. Massa was 8th in the championship. He would have needed a run of about 5-6 wins, plus a number of strong podium finishes to have even been in title contention.

[autogyro]

I was under the impression that Massa was in a motor race trying to win.
I must be wrong, it was obviously some sort of Ferrari benefit meet.

[scotty86]

Frankly I abhor team such blatant team orders as practiced by Ferrari, but can see a place for them in a tightly fought championship where one driver doesn't have a realistic chance.

A realistic chance eh? Cause Massa sure as hell wasn't realistically gonna win the title this season.

It was still too early in the season and really quite underhand. For all you know that could have been the start of Massa's fightback before Ferrari crushed his spirit. It's not like Alonso had taken charge of the championship at that point.

I agree it was underhanded, but to say 'it could have been the start of Massa's comeback' is a somewhat weak argument, given that he had also been dominated by Alonso to that point - so while i agree that Alonso was hardly in charge of the championship in absolute terms, compared to Massa he definitely was in charge. If Massa's motivation was ruined by that incident then that is his problem and his weakness and flaw as a driver.

For me, to say team orders are okay in one circumstance but not another is double standards. For the record i dislike them being used in both situations - i think drivers should have to beat each other on track regardless. However, in the real world that is obviously unlikely, to say the least. Getting back on topic, at least the new rules end these kind of situations - technically, if not morally.

[Agenda_Is_Incorrect]

Can you guys imagine Senna, Mansell, Prost, Piquet, Clark, Fangio, Fittipaldi, and many others taking team orders? What do you think they would say?
No need to go that far back in time do imagine. Think about Schumacher to obey to team orders....

I am Brazilian, and I find disgraceful that Massa, Barrichelo, and any other pilot take team orders.

Massa had no problem accepting the team orders for Raikkonen to let him pass in 2008. Us South Americans seem to have a problem with team orders only when we are not benefited, as is the case with many fans around the world. It's their job and it's a team job, Senna or Schumacher wouldn't take team orders because they were the ones leading. Is it allways disgraceful to take orders from your boss? No, and they have to do it as well.

Anyway, the public in general seems to like to be fooled. Other teams, including McLaren, also do it. They just do it better and don't admit it. Now the hypocrisy is over and team orders should be open and regulated.

[flynfrog]

back in the day divers would get out of there car so the number one river could use it

You all act like this started with Shu