German GP 2011 - Nürburgring

[raymondu999]

Can anyone please tell me why Jenson is (at the time of this writing) labelled as having came 3rd in the race? I'm referring to this: http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/ ... 12348.html

[Pierce89]

Both Red bull drivers have admitted that they had nothing for Alonso and Hamilton. The RB7 might still be marginally the quickest car, but the two best drivers in the world showed everyone why they're considered the two best drivers in the world. I still believe though, that either one of them would be even quicker in the Red Bull. I believe Fred and Lewie are head and shoulders above Markie Mark and the Sea bass Bunch

[zeph]

I agree that Hamilton was pure awesome today, but I don't think Alonso could have fended that off. He just rolled out of the pit lane on cold tires, and I think it would have been a collision if he had tried.

I don´t know about that really. Hamilton believe it or not have huge respect for Alonso. He won´t exactly make room for Hamilton.
And it goes both ways really. Alonso knows Hamilton and what he can do.

Maybe I wasn't clear.

What I meant was that Hamilton carried much greater momentum and Alonso just came out of the pit lane on cold tires. The only way he could have stopped Hamilton's surge was by outright throwing his car in front of the McLaren and that would have certainly ended the race for both of them. I certainly did not mean that Hamilton would have crashed into him.

[Morteza]

Can anyone please tell me why Jenson is (at the time of this writing) labelled as having came 3rd in the race? I'm referring to this: http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/ ... 12348.html

Formula 1 website does this from time to time. They make mistakes like this, don't be surprised.

[Traction]

Both Red bull drivers have admitted that they had nothing for Alonso and Hamilton. The RB7 might still be marginally the quickest car, but the two best drivers in the world showed everyone why they're considered the two best drivers in the world. I still believe though, that either one of them would be even quicker in the Red Bull. I believe Fred and Lewie are head and shoulders above Markie Mark and the Sea bass Bunch

Mclaren certainly had the fastest car on the track today, by 10 k's an hour and I reckon they nailed the set up for the track as well.

[HampusA]

Maybe I wasn't clear.

What I meant was that Hamilton carried much greater momentum and Alonso just came out of the pit lane on cold tires. The only way he could have stopped Hamilton's surge was by outright throwing his car in front of the McLaren and that would have certainly ended the race for both of them. I certainly did not mean that Hamilton would have crashed into him.

I see, well that was his only shot and thankfully he had enough momentum to keep it on the outside. We saw with Webber that if you don´t have enough momentum the door will close like Hamilton did.

Certainly a great overtake by Hamilton who spotted early what he had to do in order to get past Alonso. Something i don´t think he would have done if Alonso would have kept the lead there.

Was a miss-understanding from my part, i did not want to imply you meant that Hamilton would have crashed into him.

[beelsebob]

That I did..your memory serves you well.I stand by my statement. Based on the race that Vettel had today he should have been even further down...like 10th or something...he was crappy today...

I'm not sure how those two statements align – how can you stand by your statement that Vettel's 4th was a great drive, but also say he was crappy today?

[ringo]

Both Red bull drivers have admitted that they had nothing for Alonso and Hamilton. The RB7 might still be marginally the quickest car, but the two best drivers in the world showed everyone why they're considered the two best drivers in the world. I still believe though, that either one of them would be even quicker in the Red Bull. I believe Fred and Lewie are head and shoulders above Markie Mark and the Sea bass Bunch

Mclaren certainly had the fastest car on the track today, by 10 k's an hour and I reckon they nailed the set up for the track as well.

what of button's car?

mclaren looked like 3rd fastest to me. Hamlton couldn't run away from webber or Alonso, and actually lost out when the got clean air.

[beelsebob]

Both Red bull drivers have admitted that they had nothing for Alonso and Hamilton. The RB7 might still be marginally the quickest car, but the two best drivers in the world showed everyone why they're considered the two best drivers in the world. I still believe though, that either one of them would be even quicker in the Red Bull. I believe Fred and Lewie are head and shoulders above Markie Mark and the Sea bass Bunch

Mclaren certainly had the fastest car on the track today, by 10 k's an hour and I reckon they nailed the set up for the track as well.

Fastest car on the track is not measured by speed on the straight – if it were, Lotus would never have beaten Ferrari into a pulp back in the day.

[Traction]

Both Red bull drivers have admitted that they had nothing for Alonso and Hamilton. The RB7 might still be marginally the quickest car, but the two best drivers in the world showed everyone why they're considered the two best drivers in the world. I still believe though, that either one of them would be even quicker in the Red Bull. I believe Fred and Lewie are head and shoulders above Markie Mark and the Sea bass Bunch

Mclaren certainly had the fastest car on the track today, by 10 k's an hour and I reckon they nailed the set up for the track as well.

Fastest car on the track is not measured by speed on the straight – if it were, Lotus would never have beaten Ferrari into a pulp back in the day.

Overall..

[Traction]

Both Red bull drivers have admitted that they had nothing for Alonso and Hamilton. The RB7 might still be marginally the quickest car, but the two best drivers in the world showed everyone why they're considered the two best drivers in the world. I still believe though, that either one of them would be even quicker in the Red Bull. I believe Fred and Lewie are head and shoulders above Markie Mark and the Sea bass Bunch

Mclaren certainly had the fastest car on the track today, by 10 k's an hour and I reckon they nailed the set up for the track as well.

what of button's car?

mclaren looked like 3rd fastest to me. Hamlton couldn't run away from webber or Alonso, and actually lost out when the got clean air.

Yet when LH was out front with a clear track he was clocking 1.34 odd per lap so I don't see how he lost out. His upgrades and his set up clearly worked out well. There is no ways Mcclaren was third fastest.

[Shrieker]

Mclaren certainly had the fastest car on the track today, by 10 k's an hour and I reckon they nailed the set up for the track as well.

Fastest car on the track is not measured by speed on the straight – if it were, Lotus would never have beaten Ferrari into a pulp back in the day.

Overall..

Jenson Button disagrees.

[myurr]

Mclaren certainly had the fastest car on the track today, by 10 k's an hour and I reckon they nailed the set up for the track as well.

what of button's car?

mclaren looked like 3rd fastest to me. Hamlton couldn't run away from webber or Alonso, and actually lost out when the got clean air.

Yet when LH was out front with a clear track he was clocking 1.34 odd per lap so I don't see how he lost out. His upgrades and his set up clearly worked out well. There is no ways Mcclaren was third fastest.

In the first stint I think the Ferrari and Red Bull were slightly quicker. In the second stint it was just about even. Third stint and the Red Bull fell back with Ferrari just about hanging on to the McLaren. Final stint Lewis had a slight edge. Pretty even between those top three, with Lewis proving the best driver on the day, just ahead of Alonso with Webber beaten to third. With the way he was driving today I think that had Lewis been at the wheel of the Ferrari or Red Bull then the outcome would have been the same, probably the same for Alonso, but Webber would definitely not have been as close had he been in one of the other cars.

Behind them I think Massa and Sutil drove better races than Vettel, and it was only the natural pace of that car and a better pit stop that gifted fourth to an the off colour German.

[ringo]

what of button's car?

mclaren looked like 3rd fastest to me. Hamlton couldn't run away from webber or Alonso, and actually lost out when the got clean air.

Yet when LH was out front with a clear track he was clocking 1.34 odd per lap so I don't see how he lost out. His upgrades and his set up clearly worked out well. There is no ways Mcclaren was third fastest.

http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... k%20Webber
Hamilton faster on average only after the third stint started.
Up to that point webber has more faster laps.

That's up to half of the race webber was faster by a margin lap for lap. And this is the second best RB driver vs the best Mac driver.

At the end of the day Hamilton was only 35 laps vs 25 laps quicker to webber.
And we know webber's race was spent behind Alonso and in traffic. Hardly a dominant car here.

Compared to Alonos, they are literally neck and neck.
Hamilton has 30 laps faster and Alonso has 30 laps faster.

Looking on the chart it was a boxing match, blow for blow.
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... o%20Alonso

Hard to say the car was best today. Sounds cliched but the driver made the difference. Proof is in the slower teammates, Massa was actually very good compared to Button. So you can say the Mclaren in the hands of Button, who is very good, was the worst of the 3 cars.

Massa whooped Button 25 to 10 laps. And i know Massa isn't not light years ahead of Jenson in terms of pace; though traffic skews jensons true speed.

[myurr]

And yet when Webber got in front he never managed to pull even a two second gap. All three cars were pretty evenly matched, although we'll never know how much of that was down to the drivers and how much the cars.