Is Hamilton desperate or what?

[segedunum]

By staying side by side with the Red Bull Hamilton was doing just that even before Vettel squeezed him further towards the pit crews (which was completely ). I'm still confident that the stewards aren't doing the job this year. Both drivers should have been penalized. It could easily end with fatalities.

Yep. What Hamilton was doing was trying to overtake Vettel when there was zero room to do so, and he was trying to do so even when he was actually firmly behind Vettel and not alongside. Vettel only decided to give him less room, which he is entitled to do having track position, when he started getting too close. You can't expect Vettel to do any different. It's Hamilton's decision to be there. There's no rule stating you have to let anyone through, least of all in the pit lane, that's what I find most amusing here.

However, this topic has bored me to tears. As Martin Brundle has already commented, the stewards don't know their own rules and aren't strong enough to enforce them.

[Paul]

Yep. What Hamilton was doing was trying to overtake Vettel when there was zero room to do so, and he was trying to do so even when he was actually firmly behind Vettel and not alongside. Vettel only decided to give him less room, which he is entitled to do having track position, when he started getting too close. You can't expect Vettel to do any different. It's Hamilton's decision to be there. There's no rule stating you have to let anyone through, least of all in the pit lane, that's what I find most amusing here.

However, this topic has bored me to tears. As Martin Brundle has already commented, the stewards don't know their own rules and aren't strong enough to enforce them.

So Vettel gave him negative room? -1 metre perhaps?

[Giblet]

How does one driver try to overtake another when he is slightly behind the other and they can only go 50? No driver is that dumb.

Especially when SV had a slight lead and would have been on the throttle earlier.

Hamilton probably thought, and I can't know this because I am not him, that come the end of the pit he would be on the inside and have position for the corner.

Just a racing incident, it's over now, but we have over two weeks before another wheel turns, so I bet there will be more bickering about who did what.

[Ray]

Yeah, he's desperate all right. For someone that can race like he does. Meaning, tearing ass through the field and making drivers who are supposedly the world's best look like rookies.

[Hannah.]

Just get over it everyone! Hamilton and Vettel have pretty much been the drivers making this season exciting, I mean in four races Lewis has made 32 overtaking moves. Without these two guys F1 certainly would not have been what it has so far. Racing incidents happen, end of

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

And Button will be known as the driver that dispelled the myth of Hamilton.
From sacking his dad to lighting up the wheels on a C63 AMG in the middle of an Australian city. It does point to telling pressure wreaking its destructive path on Hamiltons season.

You see the sad fact is however many overtaking moves Hamilton and Vettel had, they should have been at the sharp end in the first place. Button is making the right calls and is bringing the bacon home where Hamilton is not.
Far from bashing Hamilton, I love his aggression for instance, But I do think he believed all the hype about himself. He is in a state of shock at being outpointed by a teammate, a situation not too dissimilar to Alonso/Hamilton in 2007 but with roles reversed.

And the stunning overtakes are fantastic yes. But how much of it is actually down to the driver? The F-Duct for me is a far bigger influence as is ably demonstrated by the Maccas being able to waft pass all and sundry down the straights.
This is not driver skill.

Granted he made some great moves on the inside of a Renault and a couple of Force Indias, But that is par for the course in a McLaren surely?
IF memory serves I think he overtook a Red Bull...Cant quite place whom(perhaps both).

So to conclude, yea I think Hamilton is a balls out racer and I applaud him for that as it gets the blood flowing. But I cant help thinking he is feeling the heat of Button trouncing him in quali and race! Somthing i bet against happening

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

And Button will be known as the driver that dispelled the myth of Hamilton.
From sacking his dad to lighting up the wheels on a C63 AMG in the middle of an Australian city. It does point to telling pressure wreaking its destructive path on Hamiltons season.

You see the sad fact is however many overtaking moves Hamilton and Vettel had, they should have been at the sharp end in the first place. Button is making the right calls and is bringing the bacon home where Hamilton is not.
Far from bashing Hamilton, I love his aggression for instance, But I do think he believed all the hype about himself. He is in a state of shock at being outpointed by a teammate, a situation not too dissimilar to Alonso/Hamilton in 2007 but with roles reversed.

And the stunning overtakes are fantastic yes. But how much of it is actually down to the driver? The F-Duct for me is a far bigger influence as is ably demonstrated by the Maccas being able to waft pass all and sundry down the straights.
This is not driver skill.

Granted he made some great moves on the inside of a Renault and a couple of Force Indias, But that is par for the course in a McLaren surely?
IF memory serves I think he overtook a Red Bull...Cant quite place whom(perhaps both).

So to conclude, yea I think Hamilton is a balls out racer and I applaud him for that as it gets the blood flowing. But I cant help thinking he is feeling the heat of Button trouncing him in quali and race! Somthing i bet against happening

[Hannah.]

From sacking his dad to lighting up the wheels on a C63 AMG in the middle of an Australian city. It does point to telling pressure wreaking its destructive path on Hamiltons season.

I disagree actually, I don't think that Hamilton is showing that he feels under any pressure at all, he seems completly relaxed, doesn't stop smiling and Button and his relationship comes across very genuine. At the end of the day, the 2 races which Button has beaten Hamilton are ones with tough conditions which rely on genius strategy calls...experience is everything!!! Hamilton's 3 seasons with 1 team are nothing to Button's 10 with 4 (?) teams.
Besides, we've only had 4 races, 15 remain, Chandhok can still win this WDC...

[ringo]

And Button will be known as the driver that dispelled the myth of Hamilton.
From sacking his dad to lighting up the wheels on a C63 AMG in the middle of an Australian city. It does point to telling pressure wreaking its destructive path on Hamiltons season.

You see the sad fact is however many overtaking moves Hamilton and Vettel had, they should have been at the sharp end in the first place. Button is making the right calls and is bringing the bacon home where Hamilton is not.
Far from bashing Hamilton, I love his aggression for instance, But I do think he believed all the hype about himself. He is in a state of shock at being outpointed by a teammate, a situation not too dissimilar to Alonso/Hamilton in 2007 but with roles reversed.

And the stunning overtakes are fantastic yes. But how much of it is actually down to the driver? The F-Duct for me is a far bigger influence as is ably demonstrated by the Maccas being able to waft pass all and sundry down the straights.
This is not driver skill.

Granted he made some great moves on the inside of a Renault and a couple of Force Indias, But that is par for the course in a McLaren surely?
IF memory serves I think he overtook a Red Bull...Cant quite place whom(perhaps both).

So to conclude, yea I think Hamilton is a balls out racer and I applaud him for that as it gets the blood flowing. But I cant help thinking he is feeling the heat of Button trouncing him in quali and race! Somthing i bet against happening

Lol, ok you are free to believe what you want, 4 races is very early to think that Button has the measure of Hamilton. In fact I don't even think Button himself believes what you are saying about him.

I am not even going to go into the F duct argument with Hamilton, it's almost like the KERS argument last year. Keep believing Hamilton does not have any driver skill, if it makes you sleep at night.
In fact if we look at Button, he seems to trade in his F duct crutch for a weather crutch.
It doesn't take any skill to be on the right tyres at the right time, then put the car in auto pilot now does it?

Raw Speed is still what wins races in the dry or wet. Jenson's wins are all down to Wacky weather patterns. If all the races from now are dry, or consistently wet, expect to see repeats of races like Bahrain and Malaysia, where the faster driver will dominate.
If things get wacky again, Lewis just has to follow Jenson; if the team allows him to; then pit the following lap, lap 4 tenths faster as usual, or go around him like he did the last 3 times he passed Jenson on track and come out ahead.

Jenson has used up all his little tricks. If anything Lewis is more relaxed knowing Jenson is scared of racing him head to head, relying on Miss Clio tarot readings to hide from him.

[sknguy]

From sacking his dad to lighting up the wheels on a C63 AMG in the middle of an Australian city. It does point to telling pressure wreaking its destructive path on Hamiltons season.

I disagree actually, I don't think that Hamilton is showing that he feels under any pressure at all, he seems completly relaxed, doesn't stop smiling and Button and his relationship comes across very genuine. At the end of the day, the 2 races which Button has beaten Hamilton are ones with tough conditions which rely on genius strategy calls...experience is everything!!! Hamilton's 3 seasons with 1 team are nothing to Button's 10 with 4 (?) teams.
Besides, we've only had 4 races, 15 remain, Chandhok can still win this WDC...

I do agreed that experience is playing a role in this season's results, but if you'll notice, Rosberg is very much proving that consistency is an even larger part of the game. I think that Hamilton is in a bit too much of a hurry. He doesn't need to prove to everyone how fast he is. It's good to have "fast" in your back pocket, but I think it's better to understand the pace and patience too.

[ringo]

Yeah i think he was trying to blow Jenson away in China Q3. When all that was needed was for him to repeat what he was doing in practice.
He double shifted, missed 2 apexes and then bottomed out. With all of that he was just off Jense by 0.055s. Clearly he could have went 80% and still be comfortably ahead.

His dad needs to return and calm him down a bit. We've had enough John Button giving us the Vettel finger, Jesica Michibata popping up all over the camera, and Petrov's manager strolling around the pit garage. Bring back grumpy Anthony!!

[Shrieker]

And the stunning overtakes are fantastic yes. But how much of it is actually down to the driver? The F-Duct for me is a far bigger influence as is ably demonstrated by the Maccas being able to waft pass all and sundry down the straights.
This is not driver skill.

Suit yourself as you like, but the specific part I quoted above couldn't be any more wrong. If it's the F-duct, where was Button in Malaysia when Lewis was cutting thru the field like butter ? When Lewis was overtaking Button in Melbourne, was there something wrong with Button's F-duct ? Maybe McLaren are already handicapping Button by tampering his F-duct, hmm ?

[Hannah.]

Maybe McLaren are already handicapping Button by tampering his F-duct, hmm ?

lol, I'm surprised that all the conspiracy theories haven't started yet

[vall]

His dad needs to return and calm him down a bit. We've had enough John Button giving us the Vettel finger, Jesica Michibata popping up all over the camera, and Petrov's manager strolling around the pit garage. Bring back grumpy Anthony!!

I say, enough of all of them! Jesica, Nicole Scherzinger, John, Anthony, Massa's fathers, Lewis brothers.....I don't what to see any of them during the race.

[komninosm]

By staying side by side with the Red Bull Hamilton was doing just that even before Vettel squeezed him further towards the pit crews (which was completely ). I'm still confident that the stewards aren't doing the job this year. Both drivers should have been penalized. It could easily end with fatalities.

Yep. What Hamilton was doing was trying to overtake Vettel when there was zero room to do so, and he was trying to do so even when he was actually firmly behind Vettel and not alongside. Vettel only decided to give him less room, which he is entitled to do having track position, when he started getting too close. You can't expect Vettel to do any different. It's Hamilton's decision to be there. There's no rule stating you have to let anyone through, least of all in the pit lane, that's what I find most amusing here.

However, this topic has bored me to tears. As Martin Brundle has already commented, the stewards don't know their own rules and aren't strong enough to enforce them.

You can put "firmly behind" in as much bold letters you want (and make it bigger font size too next time), it won't change the facts. Nor does your straw-man argument that we're saying Vettel should have let him through [-X :^o
BTW there's no rule stating you have to let anyone through, but there is a rule stating you can't drive another car off track which is what Vettel did (in the pits of all places). So we can expect Vettel to have done different, like the other drivers did in previous seasons. See the 3 vids I posted (in one Vettel is unsafely released into Alonso's path).
Your grasp of the rules is very weak. Like of the facts.
It also doesn't change the fact that Vettel's statement was hypocritical lying "assholery".

The topic has been done to tears only because you refuse to face reality.