Is Hamilton desperate or what?

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Oh man is there anything in F1 more lamentable than the VETTEL FINGER!

Anyway, Hamiltons overtake on Rosberg in Australia was in fact all to do with the F-duct. And Button has been leading too many laps to do any overtaking!
To suggest Hamilton is now even more confident after seeing his team mate win 2 of the first 4 races is BONKERS.
He is now asking questions of himself, as is normal.

And overtaking Renaults and Force Indias really a skillfull thing to do in a McLaren WITH an F-duct? It has a 5MpH speed advantage for christ sake, of course it has more to do with the bloody gadget than the driver.
Or does the driver make the car go that fast down the straght?

And to dismiss Jensons victories down to "wacky weather patterns" really smacks of a desperate Hamilton fan. Apologies for calling a spade a spade.

As I have already intimated I put some cash on the widely held view that Hammy would murder Button. This is simply not happening. 3-1 in qualifying 2 victories to none, and leading the WDC.
By any measure Button is outperforming his prodigously talented team mate.
Note: PRODIGOUSLY TALENTED.

No Hamilton bashing just calling it the way Im seeing it!

[komninosm]

His dad needs to return and calm him down a bit. We've had enough John Button giving us the Vettel finger, Jesica Michibata popping up all over the camera, and Petrov's manager strolling around the pit garage. Bring back grumpy Anthony!!

I say, enough of all of them! Jesica, Nicole Scherzinger, John, Anthony, Massa's fathers, Lewis brothers.....I don't what to see any of them during the race.

Agreed... Michibata is easy on the eyes though

[komninosm]

Oh man is there anything in F1 more lamentable than the VETTEL FINGER!

Anyway, Hamiltons overtake on Rosberg in Australia was in fact all to do with the F-duct. And Button has been leading too many laps to do any overtaking!
To suggest Hamilton is now even more confident after seeing his team mate win 2 of the first 4 races is BONKERS.
He is now asking questions of himself, as is normal.

And overtaking Renaults and Force Indias really a skillfull thing to do in a McLaren WITH an F-duct? It has a 5MpH speed advantage for christ sake, of course it has more to do with the bloody gadget than the driver.
Or does the driver make the car go that fast down the straght?

And to dismiss Jensons victories down to "wacky weather patterns" really smacks of a desperate Hamilton fan. Apologies for calling a spade a spade.

As I have already intimated I put some cash on the widely held view that Hammy would murder Button. This is simply not happening. 3-1 in qualifying 2 victories to none, and leading the WDC.
By any measure Button is outperforming his prodigously talented team mate.
Note: PRODIGOUSLY TALENTED.

No Hamilton bashing just calling it the way Im seeing it!

It's spelled "prodigiously" ;p
Anyway, I think you're mostly right, but we also shouldn't forget how Webber crashed into Hamilton when he was just about to pass Alonso 2 races ago, while in this race Ham passed both cars ahead of him in one turn. Let's not forget Vettel was the one who lost it to red mist in the pits and pushed Ham off track in the most dangerous move I've seen this year (and more). I think Hamilton is doing OK with the pressure. He did whine a bit in previous race about strategy, but not this one which shows he learned something. I would not call him desperate at all.
Also the F-duct thing is counterbalanced by the McLaren having no downforce, bad aerodynamics, etc. Isn't that what some people here say?

BTW what happened with his father? Who has the "dirt" on that?

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Re: the dirt

I think Scherzinger was straddling his Pa while he was racing.

According to the rumour, a McLaren mechanic accidently switched the garage radio frequency giving Hamilton Jr a good "heads up" (my apologies) while racing.

The rumour goes further by saying there is an actual copy of the recording!
The source remains anonymous, however it is said that Scherzinger is far happier with Hamilton Snr's technique, naturally junior got the hump and smashed his Macca then decided to do donuts in a Merc around Melbourne!

The only blotch on Mclarens copybook is that Scherzinger mentioned "not on top of the Hispania Racing Teams car plans, you naughty boy" implicating Mclaren in yet another spy saga!

[Just_a_fan]

Expect to see all of that mentioned at the next race by the BBC guys and in the next edition of Autosport. They seem to get all of their stuff from this forum anyway (F-duct details seemingly lifted from conversations here-abouts )

[lebesset]

does no one remember hamilton trying to get past sutil ?
F-duct or not , once he got in that dirty air there was no chance

the reputed extra 5 mph is in CLEAN air

so given some dry weather , especially in qualifying , McLaren are just going to be scoring points ...unless the big improvements that button says they must have appear soon ! button is going to be back where he was in the second half of last season , in a mediocre car hoping to score some points ...only last year that was enough to be champion ...don't forget ross brawn calculated it just right last year ,switched resources to the 2010 car on the basis that they were far enough ahead in the standings

but McLaren's greatest strength always seems to be developing during the season , so there is hope still for both championships

[Remote_Access]

And Button will be known as the driver that dispelled the myth of Hamilton.
From sacking his dad to lighting up the wheels on a C63 AMG in the middle of an Australian city. It does point to telling pressure wreaking its destructive path on Hamiltons season.

You see the sad fact is however many overtaking moves Hamilton and Vettel had, they should have been at the sharp end in the first place. Button is making the right calls and is bringing the bacon home where Hamilton is not.
Far from bashing Hamilton, I love his aggression for instance, But I do think he believed all the hype about himself. He is in a state of shock at being outpointed by a teammate, a situation not too dissimilar to Alonso/Hamilton in 2007 but with roles reversed.

And the stunning overtakes are fantastic yes. But how much of it is actually down to the driver? The F-Duct for me is a far bigger influence as is ably demonstrated by the Maccas being able to waft pass all and sundry down the straights.
This is not driver skill.

Granted he made some great moves on the inside of a Renault and a couple of Force Indias, But that is par for the course in a McLaren surely?
IF memory serves I think he overtook a Red Bull...Cant quite place whom(perhaps both).

So to conclude, yea I think Hamilton is a balls out racer and I applaud him for that as it gets the blood flowing. But I cant help thinking he is feeling the heat of Button trouncing him in quali and race! Somthing i bet against happening

This is a fairly deluded post. First of all, Lewis's behaviour outside the car is quite calm and contented, hardly the actions of someone under too much presure. He is happy with his own drives and is enjoying what he's doing. I think your perceptions of Lewis being under pressure are inside your head really.

Furthermore, many of Lewis's overtaking moves have not involved long straights, and the arguments that the f-duct is only a major advantage in clean air and that Jenson could not match them are valid ones. He couldn't pip the FI at Malaysia, for example, but he got the Ferraris whereas Jenson could not.

And, yes, he overtook Vettel at China, though this wasn't captured on camera for some reason.

Lewis is driving hard because that's what Formula 1 drivers are paid to do. It amazes me that people would expect anything different from any F1 driver.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Deluded? [-X

3-1 deluded? [-X 2-0 in victories deluded? [-X

Your choice of words really has let you down.

[Poleman]

In the last race qualifying that 3-1 Its only for the record.Button's 0.050 advantage over Hamilton's is nothing and its good only for the paperwork.If you want to say that you out-qualified your teammate then you must have to show a respectful gap.Plus Hamilton had his issues in Q3.

[Pandamasque]

Plus Hamilton had his issues in Q3.

I personally like Sauber more than McLaren. They're better. It's just that they had issues in every race and quali of 2010 so far.

[Just_a_fan]

Deluded? [-X

3-1 deluded? [-X 2-0 in victories deluded? [-X

Your choice of words really has let you down.

Those stats don't tell you anything about either driver's state of mind - which is what you're alluding to.

Hamilton got out of the car after the China race and was visibly happy to congratulate Button on his victory. Not the signs of a man feeling the pressure. If that were the case he wouldn't have been chatting with a big smile on his face in the pre-podium room. His results haven't been the reward that his drives might suggest he deserves but he'll know that he has all of the tools needed to beat Button in the rest of the season.

What has been impressive for me is how quickly Button fitted in to the team and got up to speed. Think back to Alonso and how he got on...

I really expected Button to struggle and am happy to say that, so far, I've been wrong.

I think what is more telling is what's going on at Ferrari where there is a real effort to tell everyone that both drivers are happy with each other. That smacks of people feeling the pressure.

[Poleman]

Plus Hamilton had his issues in Q3.

I personally like Sauber more than McLaren. They're better. It's just that they had issues in every race and quali of 2010 so far.

Amusing but im afraid you are missing the point here... [-X [-X It could be the opposite for Button...3-1Q amd 2-0W for Hamilton lets say,would that make Button worse than Hamilton despaerate or under pressure?The 2 drivers are performing equally,that was my point,no need to be sarcastic...

[Remote_Access]

Deluded? [-X

3-1 deluded? [-X 2-0 in victories deluded? [-X

Your choice of words really has let you down.

Is that a joke? My statements made no reference to results. Apparently my choice of words was entirely accurate.

[ringo]

@johnsonseviltwin , About Hamilton's pass on Rosberg, it's not a matter of F duct, it's a matter of bravery.
Any car on the grid is capable of doing that move, once the downforce is there not the top speed, especially the redbull, the limitation is the value the driver puts on his life to do such a move.
Passing in that manner takes a lot of Balls, F duct or not. He did it last year as well with KERS. No other driver on the grid does those things.
To say a 5 mph advantage is what it takes to overtake on the outside into a blind tightening corner is misinformation.
Just watch the replay again to get a full appreciation of how crazy a driver would have to be to do what he did. Watch the in car camera and take a few seconds to reflect on what you are seeing. F duct wouldn't even come to my mind watching that.

In fact the f duct makes him braver, it shows he was so committed to the outside pass, he completely removes his foot from the brake pedal to cover the knee hole. Most drivers would shadow their brake pedal in case they come to their senses and back off.

And I still think Hamilton is going to murder Button. Looking beyond the points and on the races themselves, Hamilton has dominated button in every parameter of racing. Lap times, passes, even qualifying sessions. He has failed to do so in results however; all down to badluck and indecisiveness on his part and his race engineer.
It's just a matter of time the gate will be lifted and the Pit Bull that is Hamiltons chews off Jensons Bottom. I can see it in the way they both drive and i can see it when the 2 of them are one behind the other on track. Take away the wacky weather and the mauling shall commence from Bahrain and Malaysia.

Anthony needs to return and psyche up Lewis and get him in the zone. He needs someone like Webber's trainer to boost him and encourage him.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Ringo

That corner(hardly a corner really as its more a slight lift if any at all) has a top speed of around 180-190 MPH

The F-duct could clearly be seen to work as Hamilton closed A FULL CAR LENGTH on Rosberg, then got alongside him AND PASSED HIM in the space of 1/3 of a mile in a near enough full throttle section.

Of course it was brave, as is every overtaking manouvre at speed! But to say it was all Hamiltons doing is false. The F-duct showed its worth in 2 cars powered by the same engine. One with F-duct and one sans.

This is my view, and I can appreciate you say its all down to Hamilton, I disagree as their is some science to this rather than the Mythical "driver skill" factor.


PS wouldnt it be great to see Lewis and Rosberg in the same car?