Mercedes AMG F1 Team 2012

[munudeges]

So over the last 4 pages the tone hasn't changed, yet all of you forget 1 glaring ommission.
Where was McLaren? If silverstone is so important as a measure of car performance, then the W03 is quicker than the MP4-27.
Good job merc went it alone eh? Or was Schumacher overtaking Hamilton a figment of my imagination...oh wait it was all Schumacher right?

I'm afraid all of that hoo hah about 7th or 8th place (or whatever it was) raises a fundamental and glaring question for Daimler's board. Why bother?

[munudeges]

One of these days this team must run out of xcuses and scapegoats, now it's Bigois, took them long enough to find that out?

Well, especially considering we amongst others were less than impressed with his track record. Lo and behold.......

[xpensive]

Well, I got a sniggering PM from JET once when I suggested a while back before the season started that Lotus (or whatever it happens to be called) were a far more competent than this tin-pot outfit and it looks as if it is all coming to pass.

An xpensive tin-pot that.

I still believe the problem is the management and that Ross Brawn gave away his in-xperience in that area by appointing the three kings, identifying "technical", "technology" and "engineering" as different entities, however that is possible to do?

[marcush.]

Without trying to be cheeky ...I think the idea to have guys developing the tools and proceedures to develop competent cars is a good one -especially when you happen to lead a team of 300+ engineers and 400 something qualified workforce on shop level..
also I think it would be a good starting point to have some guys taking a longterm view of things investigating implications of already known rule changes and concepts yet to be tried on a car.
Many teams had two development groups alternating racecar responsibility every year,so to give the guys a longer lead time with Renault (Benetton) and Mclaren two examples.

[xpensive]

When the three kings of AMG are not xactly my generation of technical directors, I'm desperately trying to visualize
John Barnard, Gordon Murray and Patrick Head working together in harmony, but I'm failing miserably with that one.

[marcush.]

i think brawn realised this .and tried to find niches for each of them.
they all have led, true, but I´m not so sure if these three really are alpha animals.. i could be wrong ..

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Well, I got a sniggering PM from JET once when I suggested a while back before the season started that Lotus (or whatever it happens to be called) were a far more competent than this tin-pot outfit and it looks as if it is all coming to pass.

How many of your other predictions have come good?
If you take the scatter gun approach with predictions your bound to get lucky.
How well did your prediction go down the lotus would finish ahead of MGP in 2011?
Or that Mercedes would've bailed by now?
Or that Schumacher would have called it quits by now?
Hell there isn't much you haven't predicted yet is there oh wondrous sage.

Fact is it doesn't matter what you think, or I for that matter. The bottom line is Mercedes will decide what happens.
As for lotus, fair play to them. No shame in being beaten by them, and I reckon even McLaren are envious of their little rocket.
If Mercedes aren't happy with the situation they can sit tight and wait for the changes to take hold, or they can quit as is their right.
But this team is on a hiding to nothing from so called "technical" posters. If they win(from the front, and pacesetters throughout) its luck, and if they screw up(as even McLaren do) they're labeled incompetent idiots.
This thread is devoid of any real debate, it's all one sided tripe. Most other sites have very good debates about this team, here it's brain dead drivel and ego driven "he said she said" tripe.

Keep flinging the --- guys, its ever so "f1technical" ...who knows maybe one day they will be worthy of the derision.

[SeijaKessen]

I don't think Mercedes has done so bad.

Certainly they could do better, but then again so could a lot of teams.

They have actually won a race this year, while Lotus is still searching for that first victory. I think Lotus' best chance will come at either Spa or Monza where the car can run at high speeds for most of the race, and that's not even a guarantee.

I think Schumacher may be liable to pull something off between now and Brazil.

[marcush.]

that´s my hope really ....but I´m well aware that´s my three pointed stars glasses i´m looking through...
Rosberg moaning around demanding from Mercedes to up their game...sounds almost like us X...don´t you think so?

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

He doesnt like being stuffed by Schumacher much either...

[SeijaKessen]

Just wait till Flavio is allowed back in F1...

[xpensive]

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Rosberg moaning around demanding from Mercedes to up their game...sounds almost like us X...don´t you think so?

Don't know really, I get that strange feeling of complacency from everyone involved, remember when Nelson Piquet Sr had that 100k USD a point deal with Flavio 20 years ago, that certainly fired up his motivation?

[munudeges]

Rosberg moaning around demanding from Mercedes to up their game...sounds almost like us X...don´t you think so?

Can't blame him really. Schumacher seems to be saying very little right now because I think he knows the score. He doesn't have the time to wait.

[Roccotanski]

I guess its inevitable, but so many on this forum talk (and we must therefore pressume, think) 'in the moment'! By that i mean they look at the Britsh GP in isolation, and rip the team to shreds, suggesting the car should be designed like 'this' or 'that'. We as 'armchair enthusiasts' must try harder to be realistic. So: the W03 is not designed to maximise performance in high speed corners - that must be a decision taken early on in developement, and so Silverstone in the dry is not going to suit this car - and we saw that it was not as quick as RBR, Fre, Lotus, but maybe surprisingly it was quicker then McL. Now, for those of you who sat 'Lotus is good everywhere' - have you forgotten Monaco - the opposite end of the speed range - W03 was the faster car in Monaco, Nico was way quicker than Webber, but qualified under par, MSc was the car to beat there, but we know that story! So please keep real - there has to be some compromise between high speed and low - and no, the W03 is not the best car it could be, but these guys are not 'incopetent idiots' as you suggest, there are clearly areas where this car is better than others, all the others, but over the course of the season we see the net worth of the cars performance. We would be looking much better had MSc not have retirement, so the weakness is reliability, but lets just be a bit more realistic about the performance level over the range of circuits.
Tyre 'issues' - i really dont think Mercedes had any worse problems with tyres this race than eny other team - they struggled on the option, and were pretty good on the prime - the lap time loss to others was just down to pure performance. So they can be justified in claiming that for this race they had got on top of the tyre issues.
And lets have some grascious praise for how good they were in the wet. ( at least on MSc side)
Some say 'why dont we have the RBR exhaust? its obviously better' - we dont have it i guess for the same reason Lotus dont have it - and we are pretty much all agreed that Lotus is a very quick car!!
Some say China was lucky - where on earth is qualifiyng 0.6s ahead of all the others, and winning by 20s LUCKY !!!!
Why is there even any discussion about 'is MSc faster/slower than Nico' - they are clearly pretty evenly matched - there is no point in any further debate is there?

[xpensive]

It's just that RB's statement the W03 was "not designed to maximise performance in high speed corners" is utter nonsense.

I have never heard an F1-designer xpressing anything like that; "We're giving away eau rouge but hope to rule the hair-pin!"