Mclaren MP4-29 Pre-launch Speculation

[Manoah2u]

what if mclaren is the team alongside lotus not to appear at jerez?

It never did Red Bull any harm to sit out the first test.

then there should be no problem either for lotus nor mclaren, right?

[Holm86]

what if mclaren is the team alongside lotus not to appear at jerez?

It never did Red Bull any harm to sit out the first test.

then there should be no problem either for lotus nor mclaren, right? http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smil ... umbsup.gif

Its very different this year.

[Manoah2u]

then there should be no problem either for lotus nor mclaren, right?

Its very different this year.

according to kimi it isn't

if you'd crack down on the actual possibile benefits of a jerez appearance, then it becomes rather bleak.

seems like the sole benefit of attending jerez is nothing more then having a run with the engines and seeing if the
car shifts, drives, and how cooling goes.

because pirelli won't be bringing tires that'll be representive for the actual racing season, then you can't get any usefull data on how the engine will transfer to the track because tires are the key ingredient there.

so really, why would one attend jerez? extending vehicle development sounds a lot more usefull to me then doing a installation lap and getting some data in between red flags and some test drivers doing some work.
all that can be done in bahrain just the same, where there will actually will BE some representative circumstances.

[Tim.Wright]

I can tell you now, any team not going to Jerez are not missing it due to choice but something is gone wrong and they can't make it. There are a million things they will be testing and validating regardless of the tyres.

[Holm86]

then there should be no problem either for lotus nor mclaren, right?

Its very different this year.

according to kimi it isn't

if you'd crack down on the actual possibile benefits of a jerez appearance, then it becomes rather bleak.

seems like the sole benefit of attending jerez is nothing more then having a run with the engines and seeing if the
car shifts, drives, and how cooling goes.

because pirelli won't be bringing tires that'll be representive for the actual racing season, then you can't get any usefull data on how the engine will transfer to the track because tires are the key ingredient there.

so really, why would one attend jerez? extending vehicle development sounds a lot more usefull to me then doing a installation lap and getting some data in between red flags and some test drivers doing some work.
all that can be done in bahrain just the same, where there will actually will BE some representative circumstances.

You can still do aero testing. Do correlation between cfd and real aero. And of course see how the engines perform.

[CjC]

Probably what the articles have conveniently failed to mention is that the crash test mclaren did immediately after the fail test, passed.
But that doesn't make a good story does it, or am I being cynical?

Are we to believe that mclaren just rock up with a concept component for the crash test and they say to themselves 'if this fails we're not making Australia!'

I doubt it.

I'm not denying that one or even more components failed, just most likely they took a few different solutions and will launch/test the car with the solution that passed, the 'failure' would have a lap time performance over the 'passed' one.

My thoughts.

[adrianjordan]

Probably what the articles have conveniently failed to mention is that the crash test mclaren did immediately after the fail test, passed.
But that doesn't make a good story does it, or am I being cynical?

Are we to believe that mclaren just rock up with a concept component for the crash test and they say to themselves 'if this fails we're not making Australia!'

I doubt it.

I'm not denying that one or even more components failed, just most likely they took a few different solutions and will launch/test the car with the solution that passed, the 'failure' would have a lap time performance over the 'passed' one.

My thoughts.

Makes sense to me. A smaller team, maybe would have to gamble a bit more, but a team of McLaren's size?? Surely they'll have a relatively conservative design as a backup so that they know they can get on track on time...

[Lycoming]

so really, why would one attend jerez? extending vehicle development sounds a lot more usefull to me then doing a installation lap and getting some data in between red flags and some test drivers doing some work.
all that can be done in bahrain just the same, where there will actually will BE some representative circumstances.

You always need a shakedown to make sure everything works properly. If you find that something doesn't work properly, then you need time to fix it. Thanks to Murphy's law, you will probably find after shakedown that you have quite a few things that need fixing or tweaking. So, would it not make sense to get all of that done and out of the way before the Bahrain test so that you can make better use of the time you have under representative conditions?

[Unc1e_M0nty]

then there should be no problem either for lotus nor mclaren, right?

Its very different this year.

seems like the sole benefit of attending jerez is nothing more then having a run with the engines and seeing if the
car shifts, drives, and how cooling goes.

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Exactly, but if they don't do all the engine checks, cooling checks & air rake maps etc at Jerez they'll have to do all this work at the 2nd test when everyone else will be working on performance.

To me Jarez is just about system checks, so they can hit the ground running in Bahrain and put in some serious mileage, maybe bolt on a few new bits.

Any major problems at Bahrain requiring new parts and it's an 8 hour flight verses 2hrs to Spain.

[ChrisF1]

Find a problem on Day 1, then manufacture parts, fly then to Jerez if completed and participate in Day 3/4...

Find a problem on Day 1 at Bahrain (Day 5 of testing) and then get the parts to Bahrain for Day 3/4 (Testing days 7/8)

I think it's pretty easy to see from the above scenarios which option you want to take for a new car.

[Trocola]

so really, why would one attend jerez? extending vehicle development sounds a lot more usefull to me then doing a installation lap and getting some data in between red flags and some test drivers doing some work.
all that can be done in bahrain just the same, where there will actually will BE some representative circumstances.

Well, it could be enven better not to attend Bahrain too, because there would be red flags too.

Jerez is the most imprtant test. It will be the first time they try the new engine and that's, for me, the most important test of the season

[adrianjordan]

so really, why would one attend jerez? extending vehicle development sounds a lot more usefull to me then doing a installation lap and getting some data in between red flags and some test drivers doing some work.
all that can be done in bahrain just the same, where there will actually will BE some representative circumstances.

Well, it could be enven better not to attend Bahrain too, because there would be red flags too.

Jerez is the most imprtant test. It will be the first time they try the new engine and that's, for me, the most important test of the season

I completely agree and that's why I'm sure that McLaren will have the MP4-29 on track in Jerez as they planned to...

[mclaren_mircea]

Probably what the articles have conveniently failed to mention is that the crash test mclaren did immediately after the fail test, passed.
But that doesn't make a good story does it, or am I being cynical?

Are we to believe that mclaren just rock up with a concept component for the crash test and they say to themselves 'if this fails we're not making Australia!'

I doubt it.

I'm not denying that one or even more components failed, just most likely they took a few different solutions and will launch/test the car with the solution that passed, the 'failure' would have a lap time performance over the 'passed' one.

My thoughts.

Where did you read, that the crash test Mclaren did immediately after the fail test, was passed by the car?
If you tell the truth we should not be so concerned. Please give me the source I want to see with my eyes.
Thanks.

[FrukostScones]

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[KingHamilton01]

Don't think Anyone really know's what colour it is going to be, I had a message from guy who run's facebook page and he informed me it's going to be orange.